INDONESIA IS NOTHING BUT SCAM!
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AND I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP!!! HERE IS MY SAD LITTLE STORY.....
SO I DID MY RESEARCH. NOT FOR A DAY OR TWO BUT FOR ABOUT A MONTH. LOTS OF QUESTIONS, REQUESTING FOTOS, CHECKING IPs (QUITE HELPFULL BY THE WAY). FINALLY PICKED 3 SELLERS, BEST OF THE BEST. PATIENT, HELPFULL, COMUNICATION - PERFECT. SO I THOUGHT: BEING AS NICE AS THEY ARE THEY CAN'T BE SCAMERS. OK, MAYBE 1 OUT OF 3. SO I CAN TAKE THIS LOSS. I'LL GAIN 2 GOOD SUPPLIERS. BOY, WAS THAT A STUPID STATEMENT. I GOT BURNED BY ALL 3 OF THEM. THE SECOND THEY GOT THE MONEY -![[em2]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_laugh.gif)
SO MUCH FOR PERFECT COMUNICATION.
THE MORAL - INDONESIA IS NOTHING BUT SCAM!
SO I DID MY RESEARCH. NOT FOR A DAY OR TWO BUT FOR ABOUT A MONTH. LOTS OF QUESTIONS, REQUESTING FOTOS, CHECKING IPs (QUITE HELPFULL BY THE WAY). FINALLY PICKED 3 SELLERS, BEST OF THE BEST. PATIENT, HELPFULL, COMUNICATION - PERFECT. SO I THOUGHT: BEING AS NICE AS THEY ARE THEY CAN'T BE SCAMERS. OK, MAYBE 1 OUT OF 3. SO I CAN TAKE THIS LOSS. I'LL GAIN 2 GOOD SUPPLIERS. BOY, WAS THAT A STUPID STATEMENT. I GOT BURNED BY ALL 3 OF THEM. THE SECOND THEY GOT THE MONEY -
SO MUCH FOR PERFECT COMUNICATION.THE MORAL - INDONESIA IS NOTHING BUT SCAM!
13 Apr 2006 22:06
Post 2 of 88
Replying to [exit]:Regarding Indonesia, I have the feeling that 95% of the scam here is regarding electronic, Mobile, X-box, Laptop Etc and mostly deal to good to be true!!!!!!!
Trado has been her sins 04 and he has given many good advice regarding trading with Indonesia and never ask for any thing him self, he know what he is talking about and admit there is a problem there, so please treat him whit respect,
Trado has been her sins 04 and he has given many good advice regarding trading with Indonesia and never ask for any thing him self, he know what he is talking about and admit there is a problem there, so please treat him whit respect,
21 Apr 2006 08:01
Post 3 of 88
Replying to [Ranger]:
PT is the same with LTD in the US. However, it's true that they (Indonesian and anyone else in the world) can name everything on the internet, even American company can create a company name with LTD illegally on the internet.
For www.honorisindustry.co.id, I have checked them out. They are a big company in Indonesia. So, it is realiable company here in Indonesia. Just make sure that the honorisindustry.co.id is their official website!
As for this dicussion is going, I am not agree with the tiltle which is saying that INDONESIAN IS NOTHING BUT SCAM! Although you have to be careful in doing business with most of the people, especially if you don't have any personal relationship with them!
PT is the same with LTD in the US. However, it's true that they (Indonesian and anyone else in the world) can name everything on the internet, even American company can create a company name with LTD illegally on the internet.
For www.honorisindustry.co.id, I have checked them out. They are a big company in Indonesia. So, it is realiable company here in Indonesia. Just make sure that the honorisindustry.co.id is their official website!
As for this dicussion is going, I am not agree with the tiltle which is saying that INDONESIAN IS NOTHING BUT SCAM! Although you have to be careful in doing business with most of the people, especially if you don't have any personal relationship with them!
21 Apr 2006 22:50
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Replying to [trado]:
Hi trado, do u have any information about this company, SMT WareHouse Indonesia Ltd., whether it's a legit company or just another scammer from Indonesia?
Hi trado, do u have any information about this company, SMT WareHouse Indonesia Ltd., whether it's a legit company or just another scammer from Indonesia?
22 Apr 2006 04:01
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Replying to [hailand]:
I can't access your English version site. Is your company legit?
I can't access your English version site. Is your company legit?
22 Apr 2006 04:09
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Replying to [fatamorgana05]:
from the surface, the name of the company itself seems suspicious enough dude.
Although someone from Indonesia in this forum put it quite right that it could be that one company operating as a branch (from their headquarter somewhere) and bears LLC or Inc behind their name, that case will be highly unlikely.Why ? because it is much more convenient for that compan just to set up a local company name and bears PT infront of their name.This would be a wiser choice considering the tax, bank system, and everything it is related to.
Of course, like any cases, there might be exceptions in this one too.But lemme tell you, any legit company in Indonesia who could still bear Ltd behind their name would be one * of a big company and sadly speaking, no big company in Indonesia will advertise in Alibaba.
Although I feel something fishy here, of course we all should hold on to "pressumed innocent until proven guilty " crap.
Just tell us what this company is offering (the product, I mean) and at what price, from there maybe we can tell straight of what beneath the surface is
from the surface, the name of the company itself seems suspicious enough dude.
Although someone from Indonesia in this forum put it quite right that it could be that one company operating as a branch (from their headquarter somewhere) and bears LLC or Inc behind their name, that case will be highly unlikely.Why ? because it is much more convenient for that compan just to set up a local company name and bears PT infront of their name.This would be a wiser choice considering the tax, bank system, and everything it is related to.
Of course, like any cases, there might be exceptions in this one too.But lemme tell you, any legit company in Indonesia who could still bear Ltd behind their name would be one * of a big company and sadly speaking, no big company in Indonesia will advertise in Alibaba.
Although I feel something fishy here, of course we all should hold on to "pressumed innocent until proven guilty " crap.
Just tell us what this company is offering (the product, I mean) and at what price, from there maybe we can tell straight of what beneath the surface is
23 Apr 2006 20:58
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Replying to [trado]:sorry guys, but can anyone recommend one legit gaming company from indonesia, malaysia or singapore?
cause this is getting ridiculous
cause this is getting ridiculous
28 Apr 2006 13:31
Post 9 of 88
I find it very strange..
Is there nothing anyone could do about it, since I mean you have their bank account for godsakes! Although many of them claims that they are their clients account etc... That's wierd is it not???
I only tried to order 3 units to start, and it was fine with him! I thought, wow would he really have the nerve to rip me off for 3 units?? I just dont understand how ppl can get away with this!? unbelievable!
Is there nothing anyone could do about it, since I mean you have their bank account for godsakes! Although many of them claims that they are their clients account etc... That's wierd is it not???
I only tried to order 3 units to start, and it was fine with him! I thought, wow would he really have the nerve to rip me off for 3 units?? I just dont understand how ppl can get away with this!? unbelievable!
28 Apr 2006 13:56
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Replying to [jo19840105]:
You' ve got to know the reality here in Indonesia dude.
In Indonesia, banks do not normally involve in their clients business (unless the banks give them the loan) be it personal or corporate clients.
They merely act as the party who will keep client's money.They will allow the clients to release the money from their account if the clients do exactly as per the correct procedure and provide correct documents.That's all.
The banks will not freeze their clients account just based on claims of fraudulent activity from someone or some organization (let alone they are from overseas).Banks will only freeze clients account if they receive formal instruction from police and Bank of Indonesia (central bank).Without instruction from these 2 institution they will not do anything dude, believe me.And please do not imagine that getting this instruction from above 2 organization will be an easy process.
And your comments about 3 units...hmm, you should know Indonesia is poor country ( I mean 70-80% of total population is actually people living below international standard of living).Many people could live in Indonesia with only 100 USD so you could imagine why they are eager to rip you off for only 1000 USD or less.
So, beware !!!
You' ve got to know the reality here in Indonesia dude.
In Indonesia, banks do not normally involve in their clients business (unless the banks give them the loan) be it personal or corporate clients.
They merely act as the party who will keep client's money.They will allow the clients to release the money from their account if the clients do exactly as per the correct procedure and provide correct documents.That's all.
The banks will not freeze their clients account just based on claims of fraudulent activity from someone or some organization (let alone they are from overseas).Banks will only freeze clients account if they receive formal instruction from police and Bank of Indonesia (central bank).Without instruction from these 2 institution they will not do anything dude, believe me.And please do not imagine that getting this instruction from above 2 organization will be an easy process.
And your comments about 3 units...hmm, you should know Indonesia is poor country ( I mean 70-80% of total population is actually people living below international standard of living).Many people could live in Indonesia with only 100 USD so you could imagine why they are eager to rip you off for only 1000 USD or less.
So, beware !!!
30 Apr 2006 20:01
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Replying to [jo19840105]:
Hello Sir,
I'm Poniman from W&P's Corp.In my mind, Indonesia is a good place for business but you must understand the condition.In my experience, I have been cheated many times till now I'm understand that we should have a good relation with the company that we want to trade.Now, I can get a lot of items from Indonesia.If you want me to help you to supply you any kinds of items from Indonesia, you can contact me(ID:Poniman).I'm in Singapore which you know that the country is base on law.Anything problem, you can contact to the Minister in SIngapore and I will get a big problem.You can take my word.
Regards
Poniman(W&P's Corp)
Hello Sir,
I'm Poniman from W&P's Corp.In my mind, Indonesia is a good place for business but you must understand the condition.In my experience, I have been cheated many times till now I'm understand that we should have a good relation with the company that we want to trade.Now, I can get a lot of items from Indonesia.If you want me to help you to supply you any kinds of items from Indonesia, you can contact me(ID:Poniman).I'm in Singapore which you know that the country is base on law.Anything problem, you can contact to the Minister in SIngapore and I will get a big problem.You can take my word.
Regards
Poniman(W&P's Corp)
30 Apr 2006 20:12