alibaba and the 40,000 thieves
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I was going to call this artical alibaba and the 40 theives, but it just didnt seem appropriate, remember, Aladin what a character he was, one of alibabas 40 theives wasnt he, i wonder which chinese company he runs then, probably one of the ones that offers buyers ps3,ipod,mobile phones and laptops all for good price. Yeah good price for them, i mean what is a good price for selling bull , and you know what the worst thing is alibaba knows about these people and could easily stop them BUT why would alibaba do that when these scammers are the ones who are making alibaba the money, not us the buyer, they couldnt give 2 magic lanters about us. so why should we about them you know guys is say **** **' there are plenty more wholesaler forums out there but i have to say what ever you decide to do use this site or others please, please,please stay away from those horrible chinese they are the worst by far, if you want electronics find people in hong kong thats were i go and just be cafefull and remember to watch those chinese, thanks for reading guys look forward to your response.
05 Jul 2007 11:25
Post 2 of 7
Replying to [scotty22]:
AMEN!!!!!
Thats exactly what I thought when I read of all the people being ripped off - Alibaba had a gang, a gang of thieves. Alibaba doesn't give a flying ****about the buyers because its his gang who are the thieves.
AMEN!!!!!
Thats exactly what I thought when I read of all the people being ripped off - Alibaba had a gang, a gang of thieves. Alibaba doesn't give a flying ****about the buyers because its his gang who are the thieves.
05 Jul 2007 13:55
Post 3 of 7
Replying to [scotty22]: & Damok666
janet henry + damian kelf !!
members since june 2007
Be informed, Alibaba is a platform for establishing business connections between freely acting parties, as many other B2B websites from you mentioned, also !
You can compare the websites with advertisement newspapers, who print ads against payment ! There, as same as in the websites, the publishers are not reliable for the ads of their clients, announced by disclaimers !
Wholesale and special here Im- and Export wholesale, is a job where you need expirience and knowledge, to filter the good from the bad, to know what is possible and how to handle a complete transaction !
Your way should be, to do Ebay sales or similar but forget business what you have not learned !
Nobody should try to swim through the channel if he can not swim !!!
rgds
Wilhelm
janet henry + damian kelf !!
members since june 2007
Be informed, Alibaba is a platform for establishing business connections between freely acting parties, as many other B2B websites from you mentioned, also !
You can compare the websites with advertisement newspapers, who print ads against payment ! There, as same as in the websites, the publishers are not reliable for the ads of their clients, announced by disclaimers !
Wholesale and special here Im- and Export wholesale, is a job where you need expirience and knowledge, to filter the good from the bad, to know what is possible and how to handle a complete transaction !
Your way should be, to do Ebay sales or similar but forget business what you have not learned !
Nobody should try to swim through the channel if he can not swim !!!
rgds
Wilhelm
05 Jul 2007 17:50
Post 4 of 7
Replying to [wilhelm]:ok smart guy, you obviously cant read because your reply did not even reflect on my artical i was talking about the chinese selling branded electronics ok, which if you were as smart as you make out to be you would know these companys do not have the brand rights to sell these products, all im trying to do is give the little guy a chance ok, you are seller and for all we know you are scammer too.
06 Jul 2007 08:14
Post 5 of 7
Replying to [scotty22]:
Replying to [wilhelm]:ok smart guy, you obviously cant read because your reply did not even reflect on my artical i was talking about the chinese selling branded electronics ok, which if you were as smart as you make out to be you would know these companys do not have the brand rights to sell these products, all im trying to do is give the little guy a chance ok, you are seller and for all we know you are scammer too.
Hi scotty,
this is the difference between us, I can read and know to filter !
As I wrote, knowledge is needed to make business, not complaints about reality that a educated members know !
On the other hand have a look to UK sellers of electronics and mobiles in Alibaba, compared with the 2.000.000.000 chinese, Great Britain has more scammers !
And one more, you go wrong in your last sentence, I am not a seller, I am a retired businessman who helps people, who want have help and not people who know everything better, but at least know nothing !
rgds
Wilhelm
Replying to [wilhelm]:ok smart guy, you obviously cant read because your reply did not even reflect on my artical i was talking about the chinese selling branded electronics ok, which if you were as smart as you make out to be you would know these companys do not have the brand rights to sell these products, all im trying to do is give the little guy a chance ok, you are seller and for all we know you are scammer too.
Hi scotty,
this is the difference between us, I can read and know to filter !
As I wrote, knowledge is needed to make business, not complaints about reality that a educated members know !
On the other hand have a look to UK sellers of electronics and mobiles in Alibaba, compared with the 2.000.000.000 chinese, Great Britain has more scammers !
And one more, you go wrong in your last sentence, I am not a seller, I am a retired businessman who helps people, who want have help and not people who know everything better, but at least know nothing !
rgds
Wilhelm
06 Jul 2007 17:30
Post 6 of 7
Replying to [scotty22]:
Hi Mate
I think we have had some communication is the past about these issues?
We all understand the ways scammers come forward and latch on to new buyers, yes and sure there are scammers in China, and every country in the world too.
I am back in UK after being in China for 3 years and before that imported to UK and too date i can hold my hands up and say i have not lost money, i have done business with some suppliers that once we got the order and did not get the right service after, like parts we did not continue to order more.
As we know Hong Kong is not in the mainland of China but is under the Chinese rule, but take it from me as we all have seen there are many scammers there that sell brand products, a part of my work over the past 3 years was to check suppliers like these.
The facts are i can select 10 types of products and search Alibaba and find all the supplier A1, or i can search Ipods, nokia phone, Ps3, Tom Toms, and find maybe all of them being scammers.
As i have been on Ebay since 2002 and made good business on there, i have seen so many scams of there, yes the thing that is not the same as Alibaba is that Ebay take them off very quick so that why Ebay can keep their name more clean in one way, also as pay pal is the 90% payment term this can help people too, not to say pay pal is perfect.
wilhelm was only saying that you do need some background in the game, come on mate its not like buying from Ebay, being 6000 miles away and the min order levels also the communication is just some of the problems we face.
Maybe you are the same, you have bought from the Loot paper?, i have so many time, but i have never sent them money, always gone to see them direct, this is in our country, so if China was a drive away we would do the same, so the problem is the cost to go there the time scales, all these issues are what we have to face in the export and import game, but there are ways and means to do all these the right way.
I tell you the facts and i have been in business over 20 years, i have been scammed more than once, one of was £20,000, all in the UK, and you know, the goverment dont want to know, if you have ever rented houses to people its a pain, systems like benifits and police are all for the renter not the landlord, these people who rent properties are scammers and use the system to their benifit.
I only reply because my office is in China and we provide great service to all our clients, so not all are bad, if you want to meet anytime while i am in Manchester we can, we can learn from each other,![[em19]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_great.gif)
Hi Mate
I think we have had some communication is the past about these issues?
We all understand the ways scammers come forward and latch on to new buyers, yes and sure there are scammers in China, and every country in the world too.
I am back in UK after being in China for 3 years and before that imported to UK and too date i can hold my hands up and say i have not lost money, i have done business with some suppliers that once we got the order and did not get the right service after, like parts we did not continue to order more.
As we know Hong Kong is not in the mainland of China but is under the Chinese rule, but take it from me as we all have seen there are many scammers there that sell brand products, a part of my work over the past 3 years was to check suppliers like these.
The facts are i can select 10 types of products and search Alibaba and find all the supplier A1, or i can search Ipods, nokia phone, Ps3, Tom Toms, and find maybe all of them being scammers.
As i have been on Ebay since 2002 and made good business on there, i have seen so many scams of there, yes the thing that is not the same as Alibaba is that Ebay take them off very quick so that why Ebay can keep their name more clean in one way, also as pay pal is the 90% payment term this can help people too, not to say pay pal is perfect.
wilhelm was only saying that you do need some background in the game, come on mate its not like buying from Ebay, being 6000 miles away and the min order levels also the communication is just some of the problems we face.
Maybe you are the same, you have bought from the Loot paper?, i have so many time, but i have never sent them money, always gone to see them direct, this is in our country, so if China was a drive away we would do the same, so the problem is the cost to go there the time scales, all these issues are what we have to face in the export and import game, but there are ways and means to do all these the right way.
I tell you the facts and i have been in business over 20 years, i have been scammed more than once, one of was £20,000, all in the UK, and you know, the goverment dont want to know, if you have ever rented houses to people its a pain, systems like benifits and police are all for the renter not the landlord, these people who rent properties are scammers and use the system to their benifit.
I only reply because my office is in China and we provide great service to all our clients, so not all are bad, if you want to meet anytime while i am in Manchester we can, we can learn from each other,
06 Jul 2007 19:06
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hi there, do you have listings for safe suppliers from hong kong. i don't trust the chinese suppliers at all and would like to deal with safe electronic suppliers. would be greatly appreciated, thankyou
regards Damin
regards Damin
31 Jul 2007 16:18
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