germex wrote:

Are you aware who the Dalai really, really, really is? Unfortunately most people are not, though he has given an interesting insigfht about himself in his book where he describes his escape from the Chinese region called "Tibet".


By the way, it has never been an independent country, only a renegade, inaccessible and therefore somewhat autonomous region of China. That, together with what I mentioned above, are more than sufficient reasons to deny visas to this conflictive person.


He is a professional troublemaker at best. And who in his right mind would jeopardize the economical development of his country by favoring this man?

GERMEX


Always respected your views and maturity but i would beg to differ on this maybe you posses knowledge that the rest of us do not have. Maybe we could exchange notes on the subject.


Just a thought a loud one at that why did China feel the need to change the demographic of its own province in the last 30 Years. THere is only one country that is still nurturing dreams of conquest it has territorial disputes all around off course even Taiwan is one of its provinces so too arunachal pradesh in India so it claims. I do not want to enter into a political debate for the query is as asked by RIKAS


Why is a mighty nation scared of the Dalai . Sometimes we have to stand by principles and trade and money is not everything as thought China has the monopoly on the world's supplies. It record of H Rights and support of Sudan are a case in point.

Well, I always keep it simple. For example, about 200 years ago the US already admitted that Tibet was an integral part of China. Why would they do that if it weren't true?

In his book the Dalai describes how people were whipped out of his way when he traveled down the paths (there were no roads; all money was used for his private life, as well as for the ruling class). He also mentions that his cook and radio operator were CIA agents (when he fled over the Himalaya).

Combine that with the fact that Tibet has huge reserves of lithium, wood and other natural riches, and reflect over it very long and profoundly. You will come to understand the truth!

rikas wrote:

I received a personal email asking me to keep politics and religion out of the forum. I will do so in future, but the fact remains that you cannot always separate politic and trade, they have an effect on each other.

You are totally right! Politics create the infrastructure (laws, rules, regulations, international agreements, etc.) for trade, so many times you can't reasonably separate them. Therefore it surprises me that you received that e-mail. Most of the times nobody feels that anything is wrong with the mere fact that you expressed an opinion. In any case they don't share it.

I know you won't say it, but I really wonder who sent that e-mail.

rikas wrote:

I received a personal email asking me to keep politics and religion out of the forum. I will do so in future, but the fact remains that you cannot always separate politic and trade, they have an effect on each other.


We unfortunately did and if the same hurt the sentimentality of the receiver we apologise we truied to be helpful, which is we warranted unwanted advise and we do apologise and would not repeat the error again.


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germex wrote:

Well, I always keep it simple. For example, about 200 years ago the US already admitted that Tibet was an integral part of China. Why would they do that if it weren't true?

In his book the Dalai describes how people were whipped out of his way when he traveled down the paths (there were no roads; all money was used for his private life, as well as for the ruling class). He also mentions that his cook and radio operator were CIA agents (when he fled over the Himalaya).

Combine that with the fact that Tibet has huge reserves of lithium, wood and other natural riches, and reflect over it very long and profoundly. You will come to understand the truth!

Germex :

Please take no offense to our post for it never our intention to do that and we acknowledge you are one of the sanest on this forum and appreciate your views.

Most leaders in a fedual society looked after their well being and their kins before the subject and that gave rise to dynasties. we have some of the most villianous lots. I do remember spending time in Oman prior to Sultan Qabbos his father Timor ruled it with a heavy and miseraly hand till he was overthrown ( iam not aware whether it was blood) BUt what i remember is that after that there was great developement from a country with just 15 Kms motorable roads it had this great wonderful network that i travelled on . Where on could do 1000 Kms in 14 hours .

The point being there was a mindset that though of its own good foremost . Off course religious leaders have always ruled with a fist and the Church is not immune to this as relavent in Church History and the scandals. But progressive socities made a move forward making them immaterial to developement and in most Western societies Religion and Politics are not a mix,

In the same vein i do advocate religion and politics should be of own private domain not intruding ionto the business space. Then maybe i should learn the finer art of Diplomacy where i can control my private and public thoughts. Maybe with time.

Just a point you make i have travelled in Himachal Pradesh. a land that may closely resemble Tibet in some aspect, what i see is a rough terrain life so impossibe to live,  and people just get by . I do remember that transportation on the Indian Border road in Himachal are like a suicide trip to nowhere. If that is the case today in INDIA i wonder what it must have been in the 40's and 50's in Tibet and regards to him having CIA agents ' Where have the Americans not messsed up.CIA in house.

American Policy is hard to fathom, knowing that all the aid they pour into Pakistan to fight its so called war on terror is actually a front to keep groups alive to the detriment of India. (NPAC the New Plan for the American Century ) Speaks of American plans for World domination and who may as well guess what it would do to prospective challenger like India and China. ..... Keep them busy in internal strife)

Well the post seems to have been lost ...in all this due apologies to all. I do not advocate Politics or religion in anyway.

Hi Sabby, actually I feel like your post was very useful and not "political" at all in the way it isn't welcome here. Describing political (and religious) situations and making people reflect over them is a positive contribution and seems to be tolerated or even almost endorsed by Alibaba. But of course if things get out of hand with aggressive or derogatory comments or accusations, then we would definitely have an unwelcome "political" discussion.

In trade, knowledge rules. So as long as we just try to inform each other and explain why we believe one thing and not the other, we are doing each other a big favor, even if we disagree. So let's keep up this "enlightening disagreement".