Quoting from [wilhelm]:

Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

By using your own Rules and Regulations and only one staff member who controls the advertisements of new GOLD "SUPPLIERS"
you have to delete every day a minimum of 10 !

Product Restrictions and Prohibitions

28. REPLICA AND COUNTERFEIT ITEMS

28.4 Postings offering to sell or purchase replicas, counterfeits or other unauthorized items shall be subject to removal by Alibaba.(but nobody do it)Repeated postings of counterfeit or unauthorized items shall result in the immediate suspension of your membership.(is not possible, when not before removed)







But I understand, you want not destroy your business, a few foreign victims a day, seems for Alibaba acceptable !





Wilhelm

Guangzhou Xiangrui Digital Tech Co.,  Sells Fake HP and IBM and Alibaba knows it, but does nothing!  Jimmy Lu is a criminal!  Why are these Chinese peole so dishonest

his name Jiuzheng Zhao company GUIF Trade www.guifatrade.com is SCAM. i was lost money send western union to Jiuzheng Zhao from china

Quoting from [wilhelm]:

Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Could it be that some of them not extended their membership (payment for Gold), because they are long time recognized as scammers and now have registered under other names ?



If this should be sure, Alibaba better do not announce such a removing as act of  protection for buyers, it will throw a very very bad light on Alibaba ! 




As sample, the criminal work of Pide and Beter Trade, above also named, they were recognized as scammers last year in August and changed their names easily from Bide to Pide and Peter to Beter in October, with one and the same company register number for both companies !




See here :




http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/215451/Be_aware_Recognized_Scammer_change_names_.htm





Wilhelm

Yes, its happening time after time. scammers get another listing.

I lost money in a transaction with indoniesan scammers that with emails and

phone calls and promise of long business relations gain my trust and stole

my money without shipping my purchase of water Ionizers, we reported them

to alibaba, which did remove them for being scammers, now within 10 days

I have found them back on alibaba running the same scaM using a different

name.  INDONESIA IS FULL OF SNAKES & SCAMMERS! BEWARE.

It is great initiative

Not even the system of charging for becoming a member seems to be a good alternative. Scammers are willing to pay for a membership as they know they will get their money back with all the trading scams they will do. One thing I have notice (and why I think the scammers are stupid) is that some of them say to work in big companies and factories but the email address they provide you with is only hotmail or yahoo.

Apart from that, some people in this forum have mentioned that we are alone in trading in Alibaba, but, as one member said, if Alibaba is sending emails and ads to become a gold supplier in order for everyone to trust me and that I can trust gold suppliers/buyers for sure, so then Alibaba should be held accountable because the offer they give is false. It is false that gold suppliers are trustworthy.

I think it is possible to sense when someone is a scammer. I think people who are serious about trading or doing business know, even by common sense, that you need to keep a good communication and relationship with your counterpart and never be pushy or wanting to do things in a rush, that is just desperation and to trade with people who are desperate I think is not safe. And that because people don't think clearly when they are desperate. In this case the scammers are desperate for money. There is no need to damage people or lie to them in order to get money. You can make money come to you while treating well to whom you are trading, but it seems scammers all over the world don't know that.

Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Hi, wilhelm,

Thanks for your reminder! We will not display companies that discontiniue their membership with us naturally.  It is not the way we do things. We just want to warn new buyers here that these are not our Gold Supplier now, since we continuing receive complaints or inquiries about these companies.

As to the problem you have mentioned, some of these companies might register as Gold Supplier under different names. We will improve our A&V procedure to reduce the happening of such things. And we welcome constructive suggestions from our members.

Sound like Alibaba are somehow involved in all of this thieving.Do not buy from here.Ive been ripped off also.No good.They dont do enough to protect honest buyers with good intentions.They dont understand about  honest business practices.I will cancel my account with Alibaba.I strongly suggest that any new buyer beware.A people without  religion.Can have no guilt. Good luck buyers.Youll need a lot of it.HAHA.

Quoting from [alarchwr]:

Not even the system of charging for becoming a member seems to be a good alternative. Scammers are willing to pay for a membership as they know they will get their money back with all the trading scams they will do. One thing I have notice (and why I think the scammers are stupid) is that some of them say to work in big companies and factories but the email address they provide you with is only hotmail or yahoo.

Apart from that, some people in this forum have mentioned that we are alone in trading in Alibaba, but, as one member said, if Alibaba is sending emails and ads to become a gold supplier in order for everyone to trust me and that I can trust gold suppliers/buyers for sure, so then Alibaba should be held accountable because the offer they give is false. It is false that gold suppliers are trustworthy.

I think it is possible to sense when someone is a scammer. I think people who are serious about trading or doing business know, even by common sense, that you need to keep a good communication and relationship with your counterpart and never be pushy or wanting to do things in a rush, that is just desperation and to trade with people who are desperate I think is not safe. And that because people don't think clearly when they are desperate. In this case the scammers are desperate for money. There is no need to damage people or lie to them in order to get money. You can make money come to you while treating well to whom you are trading, but it seems scammers all over the world don't know that.

Yes,thats right.Alibaba.com should be held accountable in a court of law for their misleading information to buyers on their site.I will look into it with my lawyer tommorrow to recover my losses through this site.You will be hearing much more Mr Alibaba rippoff. We should all collectivley file a lawsuit against the registered owner. And recover our thousands of dollars  in losses from these Asian thiefs with no guilt whatsoever.They are the same in Australia.Lying.Will say anything to get out of something.Seems to be in their genetics and culture.HAHA.  DISGRACEFUL.There will be a special place in * for these people when their time comes.

Quoting from [00000]:

     I am not sure how is your country's  law work. To me you are the one who made the  deal buy  from supplier, though Alibaba is the platform owner, how you expect Alibaba involve in your decision so as the seller conduct ? As one of  the member given an example in the other forum. Since all car  drivers on the road they are licensed to drive, why not you cross the road blind ? Anything happen in an accident,  you blame the relevant body that issued the license ? Or you make a report to the police the right channel ?  Come on be logic, think the same way as you are in your homeland practice.

    You are a free member, pay nothing to Alibaba, you expect when you make your own decision and asking someone to bear for the consequences ? Where is this logic come from ?  Respect Alibaba is the owner of this platform, you are not , you can advise only. It will be good practice for you to read the "Terms of Use"  just below of Alibaba webpage.

The logic of your argument is, at the very least, amusing.



You seem to be comparing Alibaba to a driver's licensing authority. So let us proceed on that basis, shall we? If, as you've asked, since all car drivers on the road they are licensed to drive, why not you cross the road blind? Anything happen in an accident, you blame the relevant body that issued the license? Or you make a report to the police the right channel?



All car drivers on the road are not licensed to drive. All are certainly not issued the "Gold Driver" designation by the licensing authority.



Anything can happen in an accident and relevant bodies have been indeed been held accountable for negligently issuing, or failing to revoke licenses when these were held by drivers who subsequently caused an accident.



One does not, at least in my homeland's practice, procure a "Golden License" by passing a bit of graft to the issuing authority. Perhaps this practice differs according to the country.



Alibaba issues "Gold Supplier" designations and actively encourages members to obtain trust p explicitly for the reason of instilling confidence in members. It therefore leads or misleads its users or members to believe that certain suppliers have particularly met with its approval.



Alibaba has its own internal procedures for investigating those - apparently quite frequent - instances in which members do not meet their obligations and therefore performs a function analogous to a policing authority.



It would seem very much to me, given the above, that Alibaba is not merely a platform, as you maintain.

You seem to have trouble understanding the asians.This is a place where everything is backwards.There are no employee worcover protection.There business practices and treatment of their own is extremely negligible.The things ive seen workers from the villages doing at construction sites there would suprise you to say the least.THEY DONT UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY,THEY THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS LIKE THEM,LIARS AND THIEVES.iTS DEFINATLEY A CULTURAL BEHAVIOUR.WHERE I COME FROM THE SHARKS ARE AT A MINIMUM.bUT WHERE THEY COME FROM.ITS FULL OF SHARKS.tHEY SEEM TO THINK THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.tHEY DESERVE ALL THE BAD COMMENTS AND MUCH MORE.i SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE AS IVE BEEN ROBBED BY THESE LYING ASIANS.

Quoting from [dhuny]:

Why is all block list from China, there s also a lot in Africa specially in Ghana, Mali, etc etc

OK THEN THERES cHINA AND GHANA.AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT SORT OF GARBAGE LIES WITH CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS DO THERE AS WELL.WHAT A PRIVILEGE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPSTANDIND BUSINESSMEN OF GHANA.I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUYERS BUT ILL BE CATCHING THE NEXT FLIGHT TO GHANA VI CHINA VIA INDONESIA TO TRY TO FIND ANYONE WHO IS ACTUALLY HONEST IN THOSE COUNTRIES.IT SEEMS THAT THE POOOOOOOOORER THE COUNTRY THE MORE DESPARATION TO LIE AND THIEVE FROM OTHERS.tHIS IS A FACT.CHINA ALONE HAS 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE.THINK ABOUT IT.INDONESIA IS EXTREMELY OVER POPULATED AND GHANA WELL.WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? 

Quoting from [alarchwr]:

Not even the system of charging for becoming a member seems to be a good alternative. Scammers are willing to pay for a membership as they know they will get their money back with all the trading scams they will do. One thing I have notice (and why I think the scammers are stupid) is that some of them say to work in big companies and factories but the email address they provide you with is only hotmail or yahoo.

Apart from that, some people in this forum have mentioned that we are alone in trading in Alibaba, but, as one member said, if Alibaba is sending emails and ads to become a gold supplier in order for everyone to trust me and that I can trust gold suppliers/buyers for sure, so then Alibaba should be held accountable because the offer they give is false. It is false that gold suppliers are trustworthy.

I think it is possible to sense when someone is a scammer. I think people who are serious about trading or doing business know, even by common sense, that you need to keep a good communication and relationship with your counterpart and never be pushy or wanting to do things in a rush, that is just desperation and to trade with people who are desperate I think is not safe. And that because people don't think clearly when they are desperate. In this case the scammers are desperate for money. There is no need to damage people or lie to them in order to get money. You can make money come to you while treating well to whom you are trading, but it seems scammers all over the world don't know that.

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE.CHINESE SELLERS HAND IN HAND WALKING ON THE BEACH WITH ALIBABA SPENDING EVERYONES HARD GAINED, WORKING DOLLARS ON PROPERTIES AND HOLIDAYS AT OUR EXPENSE.BLIND FREDDY CAN SEE THAT THE TWO ARE DEFINATLEY LINKED AND ARE OPEN TO LITIGATION IN A COURT OF LAW.