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Posted on Jul 14, 2008 at 22:43
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Let`s continue our lecture about reality on Russian petroleum market.



Real Gasoil`s price inside Russia (I told above) is 26200 RUR (1USD = 23,15 RUR today (source www.rbcnews.com)


Here You can check my words (if You can read russian) http://petroleumargus.ru/products.html if not so You have to look on second chart from top in left column.



So 26200 on FCA refinery.


Our exporters don`t pay VAT tax 18% but have to pay export duties.


And we have following approx.price on FCA refinery in exporting direction:


26200-18%=21484 RUR or 21484/23,15 = 928 USD per MT (exporter pays VAT to refinery or refinery pays it itself but the government compensates it to esporter under our regulation after exporting act).


Now we have "to pay" export duties 280,5 USD per MT = 928 + 280,5 = 1208,5 USD per MT.


Logistic expenses by railway  (official rates incresed since 1 July on 10%) will take somewhere around 15-30 USD per MT (depends from refinery placement in Russia).


So now, You can make own conclusion about reality.


I`m sure that a lot of guys can tell You that they are "affiliated with government, prime-minister, any petroleum companies etc" but it`s bullshit (except several well-known traders) because just think about that anyone can get any product for free from producer. It`s impossible because producers have expenses too, like:


1. Taxes.


2. Expenses for producing the product.


3. Expenses for supplying of raw materials (crude oil ect).



So, up to You believe or not that funny prices which we have around but be serious and we have facts which tell that such "i-net prices" are unreal.



Now I`m finishing and I think that I told enough in above messages.



Bye.

Posted on Jul 15, 2008 at 22:37
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Quoting from [FauxBois]:


Replying to [CCHS]: Dear Sir, Our group is connected to a petroleum company that buys directly from Gazprom; just as the gentlemen said below, we will go bank to bank, and offer POP within the hour after receiving POF. We can do both spot and contract for both D2 and JP54; and contract on LPG, LNG, Mazut and gasoline. Are prices are fair at $68/$63 for JP54; for other prices, please contact us. We are real, and have no problem going bank to bank. There are no upfront fee's or transneft fee's from this petroleum company.

When we receive your ICPO/Soft probe, we will respond with the suppliers FULL BANKING INFO and how to do the bank to bank. Once we supply you with any Russian Petroleum product, you will be done looking for a supplier...Best Wishes...
Please contact me if you have real supplier of D2 and M100 Mazut.

Please proof it to me.

Thanks

johnnyli97@gmail.com

Posted on Jul 15, 2008 at 23:38
Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Quoting from [oilyx]:


Replying to [oilthirsty]: I am not familiar with any of these companies except for Orison Oil. Realize that there a multitude of Russian Sellers some legit but also a lot of scammers.


You should not expect anybody to do due diligence for you except yourself. I have given enough advice on how to perform due diligence on these companies. Please read previous postings about this article. Not easy to do but if you want to be sure, you have to do the right thing for you and your buyers.


With respect to Orison oil, when I contact the American Embassy in Moscow, they are aware of this company but said that they had received multiple complaints about this company from US buyers.


The rule of thumb with Transneft fee is that it should pay with the LC upon delivery. Once you show BCL, soft probe to the seller, he should pay the Transneft fee to Transneft to get you POP and PB after POF is issued by you.


There is no reason to send money to these people. You are better off assuming that every body over there is guilty rather than be sorry later.


Again, I will think twice before I send money to anybody in Moscow. Once you show them BCL or soft probe that should be enough for you to sign contract then move to POP/PB against POF. Transneft fee, if any, should be added to the LC to be paid upon delivery.

Hello

Do you have direct seller for D2 or Mazut M100?

johnnyli97@gmail.com

Posted on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16
Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Today I`ve made decision and gave instructions to my assistants to publish fake "POPs" on our website.


The link is www.vivaldosa.com/fakes.html


I`m really tired from all these explanations which I`m making and I`ve tired to explain some people anything regarding fakes, terms and conditions of real process on real petroleum market.


So, if You need to see fakes You can see it.



Sincerely,


Anatoly Tamilin

Posted on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:45
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
For all serious players only.


Our friends ARGUS Media group will convene conference in Shanghai at 24-25 Sept. regarding petroleum products from Russia and Central Asia in focus of asian markets.


Probably we`ll be there.


All details here http://www.argusasiafsu.com/

China - Russia - Central Asia Crude and Products Forum

— Markets, Trading and Prices —

 

24 - 25 September 2008

Pudong Shangri-La Hotel

Shanghai • China


The conference will address the most critical issues affecting the Chinese, Russian and central Asian oil markets including:

  • The complications and challenges of energy relations between China, Russia and central Asia
  • The implications of China’s huge demand for oil products
  • The potential supply and export mechanisms of Russia and central Asia
  • Russian M100 fuel oil supply and demand
  • The impact of China’s independent refining sector on fuel oil demand
  • Shifting patterns in crude and petroleum products production and trading flows
  • Global oil pricing and the implications for the China-Russia-central Asia chain
  • Export transportation and infrastructures

Posted on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:00
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Time to time we receive questions regarding bullshit from Vitrazh.

Somebody asks for checking it, somebody asks to "verify" their offer.


We would like to say following:

1. We are not free services company and we can`t reply on each request with ask regarding well-known fake companies.

2. We publishing most important information and official bodies for checking on our website.

3. People, use google and official sites of russian majors and You`ll find a truth.


For that persons who didn`t read yet. Read this;

PRESS-RELEASE
18.06.2008 
PRESS SERVICE STATEMENT  


OAO LUKOIL Press Service is warning all interested parties of the unscrupulous activities of a certain OOO Vitrazh which is distributing commercial proposals on letterheads containing misleading information as to the company’s affiliation to OAO LUKOIL’s subsidiaries.




  Full text here http://lukoil.com/press.asp?div_id=1&id=2888

Posted on Jul 23, 2008 at 07:16
Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers

Quoting from [oilthirsty]:


Replying to [bbcc]:

Someone recommended OAO TRANSNAFTA with web site www.transnafta.net

This company web site looks very impressive and there were news related to this company with other major companies also.

It claims that it is listed in NYSE but I can't find it.

This company has also asked for Transneft fee to be paid.

I wonder if anybody has dealt with this company before and is this a REAL seller?

Eager to know ASAP.

Thanks.


 

DEAR SIRS / ALL BUYERS,        

BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SWINDLERS' WORKING !!

IF SELLER (RUSSIAN SELLER) ASK "TRANSNEFT FEE,PIPELINE FEE,REGISTERED FEE,ESCROW/INSURANCE FEE, ANY UP-FRONT FEE" AND IT WILL BE 100% FAKE/SWINDLING". ALSO THEY USE "GHOST NAME" ---- SALES MANAGER. THEY HAVE FAKE ACCOUNT (OTHER GUY'S).  SERIOUS SELLER DO NOT ASK ANY MONEY !!  DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR "WEBSITE". IT IS AN UNATTAINABLEOBJECT FOR FISHING BAIT.  THEY ARE UNITED/JOINED WITH NIGERIAN SWINDLERS.  BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SELLER'S " POP,BANK ACCOUNT,OFFICER,INVOICE PASSPORT NO.ETC." THEY HAVE FAKE DOCUMENTS FOR SWINDLING. SHORTLY SPEAKING,THEY /RUSSIAN SELLERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED SWINDLING METHOD FOR MONEY. DO NOT GO TO MOSCOW,YOU WILL WASTE YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND EXPENSE. THEY/ALL ARE "SWINDLE A PERSON " THEY DO NOT HAVE CONSCIENCE OR NATIONALITY HONOR OR FAMILYS' FACES !!  ONLY CHEATING MONEY." 

Regards  

Yang Soo Choi 

e-mail : choiys29@kornet.net  

Korea


Posted on Jul 23, 2008 at 07:56
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Quoting from [Dambi]:

DEAR SIRS / ALL BUYERS,        

BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SWINDLERS' WORKING !!

IF SELLER (RUSSIAN SELLER) ASK "TRANSNEFT FEE,PIPELINE FEE,REGISTERED FEE,ESCROW/INSURANCE FEE, ANY UP-FRONT FEE" AND IT WILL BE 100% FAKE/SWINDLING". ALSO THEY USE "GHOST NAME" ---- SALES MANAGER. THEY HAVE FAKE ACCOUNT (OTHER GUY'S).  SERIOUS SELLER DO NOT ASK ANY MONEY !!  DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR "WEBSITE". IT IS AN UNATTAINABLEOBJECT FOR FISHING BAIT.  THEY ARE UNITED/JOINED WITH NIGERIAN SWINDLERS.  BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SELLER'S " POP,BANK ACCOUNT,OFFICER,INVOICE PASSPORT NO.ETC." THEY HAVE FAKE DOCUMENTS FOR SWINDLING. SHORTLY SPEAKING,THEY /RUSSIAN SELLERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED SWINDLING METHOD FOR MONEY. DO NOT GO TO MOSCOW,YOU WILL WASTE YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND EXPENSE. THEY/ALL ARE "SWINDLE A PERSON " THEY DO NOT HAVE CONSCIENCE OR NATIONALITY HONOR OR FAMILYS' FACES !!  ONLY CHEATING MONEY." 

Regards  

Yang Soo Choi 

e-mail : choiys29@kornet.net  

Korea


Listen, man.

I can tell same about all indonesian, malasian, chineese etc guys.

And what does it mean?

It means that You can find such people anywhere.

BUT use Your brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why most of You are still believe in "cheap russian products" and why You don`t use i-net searching services????????????????????

Real Transnafta company (which mines gas condensate (vacuum gasoil) but doesn`t sell petroleum products on export) published notice on own website regarding fake Transnafta (http://www.trans-nafta.com/atention.html).

You are main reason of such guys in i-net.

Your belief in allocations of millions tons, prices which are below than makret`s prices on 30-50%%. THATS THE REASON OF LIFE OF SICH GUYS.

And stop to write about all russian such bullshit.

Stop believe in "cheap petroleum products".

Stop to tell that no upfront payments on this market
.
If You tell such things You know nothing about real market.

Re-sellers and major well-known traders pay to refineries or main petroleum companies for the products and they can ask for upfront payments from Your side and You`ll pay them, if not You`ll not get the product.

LC payments are possible time-to-time but when traders bank will allow them to do it.

Let`s say BNP Paribas never allow to make upfront payment to any seller which is unknown for them. It`s clients protection policy.

Domestic market`s deals make based on upfront payments only and there is we have a lot of guys who try to steal the money. But on domestic market it`s easy to catch them.

Finally.

No need to blaim all russians in that You don`t want to see reality and You still believe in all bullshit with "cheap russian petroleum products".


Posted on Jul 24, 2008 at 10:46
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Dear Sirs,




I and my assistances found that some "hot air traders" tell stories based on all that what I and my assistances posted here.



Be careful and remember that base of any upfront payment it`s resource notice from producer or export plan (Form A1) in favor of the seller or in favor of seller of Your seller (re-selling scheme) but in second case Your seller has to show original contract or notarized copy. If it will be notarized copy You can check it easy through the Trade mission of Russian embassy or through representative office of Russian chamber of commerce which is part of the Trade mission.



Also remember that You can check resource notice through mentioned official bodies (in this case the Trade mission will prove or not actuality of resource notice).



The best way it`s using of BNP Paribas as main bank for any petroleum products transactions. It`s most professional bank on the market and it bank knows all most capable traders in Russia and CIS (former USSR republics).




Be careful and remember that safety of Your business it`s Your obligation only.





Sincerely,



Anatoly Tamilin

Posted on Jul 24, 2008 at 22:21
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RUSSIAN OIL SCAMS: Transneft fee scam from fake Russian Oil Sellers
Quoting from [Dambi]:

Quoting from [oilthirsty]:



Replying to [bbcc]:


Someone recommended OAO TRANSNAFTA with web site www.transnafta.net


This company web site looks very impressive and there were news related to this company with other major companies also.


It claims that it is listed in NYSE but I can't find it.


This company has also asked for Transneft fee to be paid.


I wonder if anybody has dealt with this company before and is this a REAL seller?


Eager to know ASAP.


Thanks.


 

DEAR SIRS / ALL BUYERS,        

BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SWINDLERS' WORKING !!

IF SELLER (RUSSIAN SELLER) ASK "TRANSNEFT FEE,PIPELINE FEE,REGISTERED FEE,ESCROW/INSURANCE FEE, ANY UP-FRONT FEE" AND IT WILL BE 100% FAKE/SWINDLING". ALSO THEY USE "GHOST NAME" ---- SALES MANAGER. THEY HAVE FAKE ACCOUNT (OTHER GUY'S).  SERIOUS SELLER DO NOT ASK ANY MONEY !!  DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR "WEBSITE". IT IS AN UNATTAINABLEOBJECT FOR FISHING BAIT.  THEY ARE UNITED/JOINED WITH NIGERIAN SWINDLERS.  BE CAREFULL RUSSIAN SELLER'S " POP,BANK ACCOUNT,OFFICER,INVOICE PASSPORT NO.ETC." THEY HAVE FAKE DOCUMENTS FOR SWINDLING. SHORTLY SPEAKING,THEY /RUSSIAN SELLERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED SWINDLING METHOD FOR MONEY. DO NOT GO TO MOSCOW,YOU WILL WASTE YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND EXPENSE. THEY/ALL ARE "SWINDLE A PERSON " THEY DO NOT HAVE CONSCIENCE OR NATIONALITY HONOR OR FAMILYS' FACES !!  ONLY CHEATING MONEY." 

Regards  

Yang Soo Choi 

e-mail : choiys29@kornet.net  

Korea



abseloutly right

god bless you

i suggest that every one who id a crook should put is info here

stay away from

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