hi everybody ,
my supplier in china wants to send me a copy of the B/L and they have asked me do I want it sent by telex release or courier does anyone know the most practible or best way ?
regards ,hilton

Replying to [hilton]:

I don't know what exactly your supplier means by telex release, as i think he means to send u by fax, but the best way is to send it by courier. As when you apply in the customs and want to release the goods at your port, you will need original BL alongwith other documents so definately he will need to send you by courier all the original documents..

Sending by fax can be good for you to check the contents of the bl before he sends you the original one.. so you may ask him to send one copy by fax to you first, and then send orginal by courier to you.

Replying To  [hilton]:

Hi Hilton.

Very simple actually.

You must have paid for the goods in advance.

He can do it one of 2 ways.


1. He can send you the ORIGINAL Bills of Lading via Courier like DHL, TNT etc, so you can give them to your customs clearance agent to clear the goods through customs. The agent wiould then need to physically give one of the Original Bills of Lading to the Shipping company's Agent in teh US in order for them to release the goods.



2. There is another way, where the Supplier can ask the Shipping company in China

 to issue an "Express Bill of Lading", also known as a "Telex Release" B/L.

What happens here, is that the Shipping company issues an Original but they do NOT give the origional to your Supplier. They stamp it "Telex Release", and "SURRENDERED" and fax it to your Supplier, who, in turn, faxes you a copy. You can then fax it to your Customs Agent, who will then clear the goods WITHOUT an Original.


The Shipping company in China then sends a "telex" (that's in the old days, these days it's email or fax) to their Agent in the destination Port and advises them that they are holding the originals, and to release the goods to you without an Original B/L


Simple really.

Replying to [hilton]:
It depends on the country of destination. In some countries the carrier will accept it since the carrier issues the TELEX in the first place......but the countries customs agents will not allow it.

It is not the same as a fax at all actually, it is just as legal and non-negotiable as an original BL. Many of my consignees are able to clear customs w/TELEX BL's. They are especially handy for short transit time shipments. Following is one definition that may be useful to you.********

Telex/Teletype Release
Authorization in the form of a telex, teletype, telefax or cablegram given by the steamship line agent at the port of origin to the steamship line agent at the port of discharge to release the cargo to the consignee without an original ocean bill of lading. Due to government restrictions in some countries, such releases may not always be permissible.

Replying to [hilton]:

Ciao Hilton,


I checked Your comments about the telex release, and I undestood the way, but I do not understand how is the way considering the payment.

I mean when the shipment is done I (the buyer) have to make the payment, but which guarantee do I have that the supplier will send the B/L to the forwarder in my country?

I think I am missing one step, can You help me?

can You send me the reply.

thanks a lot!

Federica

Replying To  [hilton]:

Normally, when the Seller asks the Shipping company to issue a Telex Release B/L (also called an Express B/L), the shipping company keeps the original B/L and notifies the Freight Forwarder (their agent) in your country that the original B./L has been surrendered and to release the goods WITHOUT the need to present an original B/L to claim the goods.

This is standard practice worldwide.

If the shipping company does NOT do so, then the goods arrive in your country and the shipping company has to store them at their expense, something they don't really want to do.

Replying to [hilton]:

Correct, I am agree with you!

Replying to [hilton]:As i am a supplier in china, i know more about this! The supplier only can make the telex release after they had received all the payment. that means you cannot need the original documents to make custom clearance! So if you had paid all payment, i perfer use telex if your custom can workable, as it will save some cost for freight and also can avoid the missing documents during the freight! of cousre, if you have not paid all payment, the B/L only can send to by courier after the supplier get the payment! In all, all payment in advance, telex is ok, payment after the goods shipped, B/L by couries is must!

Replying to [hilton]:Just as Hiton mentioned, it is the regulations, the supplier must send the documents to you after they had received the payment! If this happened, the result is bad! Normally if won't be happened! But my friend met this, as the buyer find much trouble for their goods and hope asked them to give some disscount for the orders. my friend agreed first but then not send the orginal b/l, till they get the full payment! So if the deal runs smoothly, it won't be happened!

hi, im pilipina i need your support and explaination abour incoterms,and

i want to know the flow for shipping,

 

hope you can give me nice explaination,

Hello,


my experience is that nowadays an original B/L is not necessary for the customs in the EU, also sometimes an invoice copy is also acceptable. Therefore, it is OK if you have copies for your customs agent.


However, for accounting and taxing purposes you need original proofs of the invoice, so you need to get an original document anyway, in this case it doesn't make a big difference if they send you the original B/L along with the signed/stamped invoice. You will need the B/L as a proof for the shipping bill you get from your forwarder.


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