Sending Money Via Western Union Type Service: A Scam Every Time
Post 1 of 213
There are so many scammers on this site, it can be downright hard work trying to find the legitimate ones. So let me give you the best advice I possibly can: I do not care what someone tells you, how many pictures of their "alleged" products they have, as soon as they mention the word "Western Union" or any other type of money wiring, IT IS A SCAM.
These types of services are for
1. People that do not have bank accounts
2. Money as a gift
3. To pay a bill (i.e. car payment).
If you send someone money this way, plan on never getting it back. Legitimate companies will NEVER EVER ask you to pay this way.(Ask yourself, when have you ever bought something from a store, and you "Moneygrammed" your payment for it?) If you need more proof, just browse through this forum of hundreds of people that are trying to find ways to get their money back.
This is my recent experience: I was dealing with a company I thought was legit. I checked them out on the internet, and it was an actual electronics company in Hong Kong. However, this guy had a free yahoo address(Why not have an email address from the company?) And when I checked out the IP address from the emails, they were traced to Nigeria. Then when he sent an email stating that method of Payment was Western Union, I knew he was a scammer. Also, the name he said to wire the money to was completely different, a 'Aletor Itua'; When I searched this name, I found endless articles of people being scammed from this same person. For fun, I emailed the scammer, telling him that I won't do Western Union, and recommended Escrow.com. This is the email I received back:
"this is my HONG KONG NATIONAL ID CARD,i have never done this before not even to the most trusted customer i will not send my ID card to that person the reason is that here in HONG KONG anyone could be easily located and arrested wherever you are so everyone here in HONG KONG do not give out there ID CARD but i have decided do this because of what you said in the content of your first mail and you wanted someone who could work with you to achieve success . The person that taught you and gave you all those informations are very correct but i want to inform you that if there are bad people in business there are also good people , 10 bad fruits on a tree does not make the whole fruits on the tree bad i want to assure you of a good deal you just wait and see also i want you to know that western union is not established for bad transaction western union is a legal means , but bad people just want to make it bad also do you know that there have been recent reports of cheat via paypal, escrow mr peter with this email bp20002003@yahoo.co.uk was cheated of about 13,000 dolars via paypal escrow but when he met me today he his happy as he bought goods worth 1800 dollars and he his happy in conclusion it is not method of payment that really matters what matters is the person that you wants to buy from , i have conscience oaky and i have promised myself to be good always and not cheat anyone i want to assure you that you are ina a safe hand just go ahead and send the money right now and give me the MTCN today and i will get back to your email with the FEDEX shipment tracking numkber today take me for my word i am expecting to hear from you N.B . please please please my national id card i send to you is my life please , i will send your item and also to the second address immediatelly i get the MTCN after you have your items i will require you to inform me . THANKS. Stephen Lai "
REMEMBER THEY ARE GOOD.....THEY MAKE A LIVING THIS WAY!
We are all keeping the scammers thriving by falling for their tricks. Please, please please do your research, and keep your money safe by only dealing with legitimate companies with legitimate payment methods, like www.escrow.com. I posted an ad for wanting to buy Nintendo Wii's, and I received over 40 responses- all fake. Be Careful and be Wise. I HAVE STARTED A WEBSITE FOR ALL OF US HONEST PEOPLE TO TELL OUR STORIES, GET HELP, AND STOP THESE SCAMMERS. Email me for more information at helpIwasscammed@yahoo.com, and visit my fraud website at http://www.helpiwasscammed.com![[em14]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_embrace.gif)
NOTE: I have no idea why, but if you send me an email from a gmail account, I will not be able to respond to you. I apologize for the inconvenience.
These types of services are for
1. People that do not have bank accounts
2. Money as a gift
3. To pay a bill (i.e. car payment).
If you send someone money this way, plan on never getting it back. Legitimate companies will NEVER EVER ask you to pay this way.(Ask yourself, when have you ever bought something from a store, and you "Moneygrammed" your payment for it?) If you need more proof, just browse through this forum of hundreds of people that are trying to find ways to get their money back.
This is my recent experience: I was dealing with a company I thought was legit. I checked them out on the internet, and it was an actual electronics company in Hong Kong. However, this guy had a free yahoo address(Why not have an email address from the company?) And when I checked out the IP address from the emails, they were traced to Nigeria. Then when he sent an email stating that method of Payment was Western Union, I knew he was a scammer. Also, the name he said to wire the money to was completely different, a 'Aletor Itua'; When I searched this name, I found endless articles of people being scammed from this same person. For fun, I emailed the scammer, telling him that I won't do Western Union, and recommended Escrow.com. This is the email I received back:
"this is my HONG KONG NATIONAL ID CARD,i have never done this before not even to the most trusted customer i will not send my ID card to that person the reason is that here in HONG KONG anyone could be easily located and arrested wherever you are so everyone here in HONG KONG do not give out there ID CARD but i have decided do this because of what you said in the content of your first mail and you wanted someone who could work with you to achieve success . The person that taught you and gave you all those informations are very correct but i want to inform you that if there are bad people in business there are also good people , 10 bad fruits on a tree does not make the whole fruits on the tree bad i want to assure you of a good deal you just wait and see also i want you to know that western union is not established for bad transaction western union is a legal means , but bad people just want to make it bad also do you know that there have been recent reports of cheat via paypal, escrow mr peter with this email bp20002003@yahoo.co.uk was cheated of about 13,000 dolars via paypal escrow but when he met me today he his happy as he bought goods worth 1800 dollars and he his happy in conclusion it is not method of payment that really matters what matters is the person that you wants to buy from , i have conscience oaky and i have promised myself to be good always and not cheat anyone i want to assure you that you are ina a safe hand just go ahead and send the money right now and give me the MTCN today and i will get back to your email with the FEDEX shipment tracking numkber today take me for my word i am expecting to hear from you N.B . please please please my national id card i send to you is my life please , i will send your item and also to the second address immediatelly i get the MTCN after you have your items i will require you to inform me . THANKS. Stephen Lai "
REMEMBER THEY ARE GOOD.....THEY MAKE A LIVING THIS WAY!
We are all keeping the scammers thriving by falling for their tricks. Please, please please do your research, and keep your money safe by only dealing with legitimate companies with legitimate payment methods, like www.escrow.com. I posted an ad for wanting to buy Nintendo Wii's, and I received over 40 responses- all fake. Be Careful and be Wise. I HAVE STARTED A WEBSITE FOR ALL OF US HONEST PEOPLE TO TELL OUR STORIES, GET HELP, AND STOP THESE SCAMMERS. Email me for more information at helpIwasscammed@yahoo.com, and visit my fraud website at http://www.helpiwasscammed.com
NOTE: I have no idea why, but if you send me an email from a gmail account, I will not be able to respond to you. I apologize for the inconvenience. Hot Topic Recommend
27 Mar 2007 21:53
Post 2 of 213
Replying to [al-ph]:
It's called a wire transfer fee. For China, it is about $20 USD. If you feel that you are getting shorted, than you should either ask the customer to cover the transfer fee BEFORE you strike a deal or up your price by $20 USD to cover the cost of the transfer. Another way to avoid the fee would be to find a different way to accept payment. The buyer sometimes must also pay an additional $20 USD to initiate the tranfer on thier end.
Your ranting about the $20 USD without knowing why it was short is silly at best. It shows that you have not done enough international business to understand how a T/T works and it's cost associated with it.
It's called a wire transfer fee. For China, it is about $20 USD. If you feel that you are getting shorted, than you should either ask the customer to cover the transfer fee BEFORE you strike a deal or up your price by $20 USD to cover the cost of the transfer. Another way to avoid the fee would be to find a different way to accept payment. The buyer sometimes must also pay an additional $20 USD to initiate the tranfer on thier end.
Your ranting about the $20 USD without knowing why it was short is silly at best. It shows that you have not done enough international business to understand how a T/T works and it's cost associated with it.
03 Sep 2007 20:31
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Post 4 of 213
Replying to [htenligne]:
if you are cheated from china,maybe we can help you out for back money.send email to me : allanshi0520@gmail.com
if you are cheated from china,maybe we can help you out for back money.send email to me : allanshi0520@gmail.com
04 Sep 2007 06:21
Post 5 of 213
Replying to [lexmark]:
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YOU WAS SCAMMERED, AND YOU WILL BE SCAMMERED if you only buy low price branded products. you should firstly format your brain because you want such low price with high branded models. I believe there are also many scammers also in your city. why scammers always win? think it over, why ? why ? low price ? Branded??, not professional selling? fraud address? no company register certificate? no buyer details refference ??
YOU ARE STUPID ! because scammers not made only by him, by your both !!
YOU WAS SCAMMERED, AND YOU WILL BE SCAMMERED if you only buy low price branded products. you should firstly format your brain because you want such low price with high branded models. I believe there are also many scammers also in your city. why scammers always win? think it over, why ? why ? low price ? Branded??, not professional selling? fraud address? no company register certificate? no buyer details refference ?? YOU ARE STUPID ! because scammers not made only by him, by your both !!
04 Sep 2007 14:34
Post 6 of 213
Replying to [inwilddreams]:So, what is the best way to send money that is safe and secured? How about if they have a bank account and want you to wire T/T the money to that account?
Please advise.
Thanks,
Jennifer
Please advise.
Thanks,
Jennifer
09 Sep 2007 17:10
Post 7 of 213
Replying to [inwilddreams]:
Yes, I agree with Business in China.
No payment method is safe enough for professional scammers.
Every payment method is safe for reliable businessmen worldwide.
Our company accepts western union, T/T, Moneygram and paypal as well.
We never cheat ppl.![[em2]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_laugh.gif)
Good luck!
Yes, I agree with Business in China.
No payment method is safe enough for professional scammers.
Every payment method is safe for reliable businessmen worldwide.
Our company accepts western union, T/T, Moneygram and paypal as well.
We never cheat ppl.
Good luck!
11 Sep 2007 05:16
Post 8 of 213
Replying to [inwilddreams]:
It seems that you want to say: Western union is set for scammers. Use Paypal, everybody, no western union!
I wish those Western union staffs or CEO won't be unhappy seeing your words.
It seems that you want to say: Western union is set for scammers. Use Paypal, everybody, no western union!
I wish those Western union staffs or CEO won't be unhappy seeing your words.
11 Sep 2007 05:22
Post 9 of 213
Replying to [inwilddreams]:what a long email the Nigeria guy sent! I have received many emails from Nigeria guys, of course, they are all scammers, they always write a long email to you and try their every way to cheat you.
It is like their life depend on cheating, it is really a kind of shabby life and it is harmful to their country--Nigeria!
It is like their life depend on cheating, it is really a kind of shabby life and it is harmful to their country--Nigeria!
11 Sep 2007 19:25
Post 10 of 213
Replying to [alimartin888]: There are legitimate Chinese Companies that accept Western Union.
Many Chinese companies are fairly new to the world scene. In any case, sending an untested supplier Western Union, or T/T wire, is daft. If its a large order (over $5,000) consider using a letter of credit. If its under that the fees will eat up the L/C and you will need to use a wire or bank draft or something, try to find a reliable escrow. And be very, very, certain about whom you are dealing with. Call the numbers, find out their business registration, search for them on the Internet, be polite but be certain to get enough company information to verify.
If you pay by western union you are asking to be scammed.
Many Chinese companies are fairly new to the world scene. In any case, sending an untested supplier Western Union, or T/T wire, is daft. If its a large order (over $5,000) consider using a letter of credit. If its under that the fees will eat up the L/C and you will need to use a wire or bank draft or something, try to find a reliable escrow. And be very, very, certain about whom you are dealing with. Call the numbers, find out their business registration, search for them on the Internet, be polite but be certain to get enough company information to verify.
If you pay by western union you are asking to be scammed.
12 Sep 2007 02:21
Post 11 of 213
Replying to [inwilddreams]:So many scammers! oh my god.
13 Sep 2007 17:39