Hi all,

It's been a while since i last wrote my article in this forum. This time, i decided to write again after reading the posting of one our fellow trader from China claiming that he has been scammed by Indonesian buyer (http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/358681/CPA_MULTIINTERNUSA_INDONESIA_scammer_.htm).

I am sorry to say that there was a little smile in my face when i was reading the complain. Sure I am worried, and off course i am sorry to hear that again and again, some people are partying over other's sadness.

It is a real pity though that Machine Supplier, that's the seller's nick name on this forum, did not read some old articles off this forums. Looking at the list of companies claimed as the subsidiary of the buyer:

PT. CAHAYA PRATAMA ABADI,www.cahayamasgroup.com

CPA MULTIINTERNUSA,www.cpa-multiinternusa.com

PT. CAKRAWALA MEGA MAS,www.cakrawalamegamas.com

PT. INDOSINAR PAPER, www.indosinar-paper.com

PT. CMI PAPER INDONESIA,www.cmipaper-indonesia.com

these are well-known faked companies throughout Alibaba. I still remember how I helped one Italian fellow trader of almost being scammed by PT. Indonesinar Paper after he was cheated for about USD25,000 by the other company PT. CMI Paper (if I'm not mistaken).

I hope many of you reading my article are really reading it. I sincerely hope that you will not get scammed by any of the above companies or other faked companies from Indonesia.

Here, thanks to Machine Supplier, we learn one more lesson. Very expensive lesson. That those scammers are not not only acting as seller, but they can also become buyer.

As a seller, we understand exactly how they operate. They would ask for advanced TT (usually 30%). To attract buyer, they will offer very cheap price (again, read my article on the price trap!). Once you TT the money, you will get nothing, not even a Sayonara.

This time, they act as buyer. Looking at how they work, they are getting more sophisticated. To get money, they are willing to use money as a bait. They would pay advanced TT and ask you to send the goods and fax or send copy of the BL.

As a matter of fact, this way of cheating is not new. Many dis-honest buyers use this as a way to put pressure to their seller to sell their goods on very cheap price. Seller is faced with no choice but to sell on cheap price because the goods are on the way to the destination.

However, on the above case, as long as Machine Seller does not send the original copy of BL, those scammers can not take the goods unless they bribe the local custom officer. If the value of the goods is very significant, I suggest Machine Seller to come to Indonesia and hire local lawyer to fix this problem. I am not really sure if it will work, but I am convinced that it is not that hard to find out who the buyer is because they already paid advanced TT and they will come to pick the goods up on whatever cost it will take.

I hope that we really learn from this case. In the old days, when seller and buyer meet directly, when all party have direct access to the commodity being traded, there was always a chance that one party would cheat on other. These days, when seller and buyer do not meet directly, when time is everything, when spped is highly valued, it is natural when there is always a door that the bad guys use to enter.

What i can suggest is, be carefull, be cautious!

Happy safe trading  

I just got scammed of $271.00 by a company listed on Alibaba.com in Thailand selling matching lady's bags and shoes. Their website is http:www.nancysiam.net

I sent them TT and never received my goods and now when i call the number listed on their site it goes into fax mode.

Please help

Quoting from [My dream]:


I just got scammed of $271.00 by a company listed on Alibaba.com in Thailand selling matching lady's bags and shoes. Their website is http:www.nancysiam.net


I sent them TT and never received my goods and now when i call the number listed on their site it goes into fax mode.


Please help

I suggest you send them a fax regarding this plus tell them their phone is set to fax - maybe it is an innocent error.

Quoting from [allianz_overseas]:

This company PT Indo Sinar from Medan Indonesia is a fraud Company. I have paid them USD 18315 in October 2008 and have still not received anything. Then i came to know that there are other companies in Netherlands, Turkey , Brazil and UAE who have been cheated by them. Their advertisements on your Website will only demoralize genuine buyers and sellers. If you require supporting documents, we can send you everything. I have already complained to the Indian AMbassador in Indonesia and also to the Indonesian Embassy in New Delhi. The Embassies are not being of  any great help !!!! I request other companies that have been cheated by this group to come together so that these criminals can be taken to task. I have personally spoken to the other companies who have been cheated by these rascals, and we have decided to spread this word through every media until these fellows are behind bars.Maulana, Roni, Mimi, Syruddin , Teddy Wijaya, Tan Anwar , Wong are some of the people who have stopped communicating with us ever since !!  We have to put these people in Jail whatever it takes !!!!!!!

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Hi Daniel,

Why don't you guys group together and hire investigator, lawyer to catch these no good son of bi..tch?

No point putting them to jail if you don't even know their real identity, and where to find them. $18315 is a lot of money. The President of Indonesia only gets a monthly salary of $2000 US, and that is 8 months of the President's pay.

You can only let the judge decide their fate, if you can catch them and bring them to justice. Why don't you pool the resources of the group of victims, pay a Reward to anyone who can bring them to justice.

How I wished to be in the right trade. We have to work so hard, to earn an honest living, and were irked to know someone simply ripped off the unwary victims of tens of thousands of US dollars.

Moby Dick

       

Moby Dick,

I doubt it will do any good.

I was speaking to a lot of people in the diplomatic category  ( Not Indonesians)

in Indonesia and they were telling me that the whole place is so corrupt

that even if we file criminal cases against these guys, they will very easily

bribe their way out. I'm already in touch with another company. Between the two of us

these fellows have ripped off more than USD  100,000 . The only way that I'm trying

to proceed is to alert INTERPOL and other international organisations which can have

an upper hand over the Indonesian authorities and can bring these guys to justice.

Appreciate any help/suggestions.

Daniel.

ALL MEMBERS OF A Alibaba notifying them NOT YOU DO BUSINESS WITH "MI WE"   http://www.alibaba.com/member/us104275172.html  , because he is a swindler, ME 7000 DOLLARS STOLEN BY AN ALLEGED SALE OF CELLULAR PHONE, NOTE THAT THIS DOES NOT TO CAIG SWINDLERS

 

 

Is there any not fake company in Indonesia ?

I am starting to doubt that.


Does anyone know this company ? Or can say something about it ? Is it sounds real or fake?


Thanks in advance.


Company details:

Company Name:

Street Address:

City:

Province/State:

Country/Region:

Zip:

Telephone:

Fax:

Website:

PT Anugrah Babies

Jl. Sentra Primer baru Timur 3, Pulogebang

Jakarta Timur

Jakarta Raya

Indonesia

10430

62-985-563215

62

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