i have just read about 300 posts. and not one was about any chinese company doing the right thing. this alibaba is just nothing more than a cesspool for maggots preying on the greed of capitalist pig americans. sure we ar all greedy a little bit. but is it really too unreasonable to think that a person can create a relationship with a chinese wholesaler so they can turn a profit in the western world? i think not. what i find amazing is that every songle company is a scam. i have yet to hear one good thing about even one company and the larceny is widespread and alibaba moderates it without passing judgement. whatever you want to buy whoever you are and whatever market you are in do yourself a favor and only buy name brand goods from authorized name brand goods dealers. buy from them in bulk and be happy turning out single units for a 30% profit on ebay. you will NEVER make more than this nor will any real distributor aywhere in the world make more then 50% roi. just a bunch of wellmeaning folks trying to make an honest buck are getting chewed up and spit out by the **** machine. these zipperheads are ruthless. im tellin you take this site off of your favorites right now and dont ever look back. you will only get ripped off here. even if you knowingly buy fake goods it is still highly unlikely that they will ever be delivered to you. your money goes [poof] up in smoke.

heed this advice - you will find no better words of wisdom in this entire forum. beware the slimy ****. pure chinese dirt. heathen of the world. master of the underbelly of greed.

run, run, run.

I think some part of your comments is true, but China as a production center of the world today surely is basically healthy. The reason why you have this bad impression on Chinese, is that:

1. most manufacturers do not speak English, so that they can not sell to you by themselves. They then have to sell to trading companies first, and buyers are in fact buying from these trading companies, not from true Chinese manufacturers. So you can not say all Chinese are bad people.

2. to do foreign trade, Chinese people must study English for many years, it is very difficult for Chinese to grasp a foreign language. e.g. I was born speaking a dialect in my hometown, then we were taught to speak Mandarin i.e. Putonghua, a language officially used. Then we started learning English when we entered junior middle school, at that time we started to learn A, B, C. So in the end, only a small part of the Chinese students become internationa traders. Then, something happens in 3:

3.  These traders find a truth: a. foreign buyers seem foolish to the suppliers, due to the high development degree of honor and faith system in developed countries, buyers think these Chinese suppliers are with same level of honor and faith, but this is not the real thing: Chinese are in the stage of bad honor and faith, so when buyers send money without taking any precaution measures, the seller tends to get money and igore the buyer. b. Chinese products are basically very cheap, buyers find one usd can buy so many products, then they are willing to risk to be cheated once or twice, so this encourage the scammers. c. Chinese society is not sound in protecting foreign buyers, several days ago I went to complain against a cheater supplier for a UAE client, the police did not take my case and ask the victim to fly to China to complain face to face to police---to ask my client to fly from UAE to China only to tell face to face the police what happened is a big barrier to catch the scammer. d. China was invaded by foreign countries a lot of times around 100 years ago and till now the country is telling us that we were victims of invasion, so when foreigners are cheated, there is only mild opposition to these local scammers. e. the court system is not good enough to protect the development of disputes in foreign trade, so only when a buyer is cheated a lot lot of money, will he be willing to spend time and money to fight against it. f. many times suppliers cheat and disappear, China is too big and the social structure is lagging behind, it is very low cost to be a criminal of fraud, nobody will remember what the scammer has done in another city, he can drive in good car home, nobody will ask what he did.

So, it is till now very safe to cheat foreign buyers.

The only way to buy safely from China and make good money, is that you buyers must be cool in mind, check clearly the supplier status, make every article in the agreement well, ask for company license and id card copy, to minimize the chance of being cheated.

Today there are still few Chinese lawyers who can work freely with foreign languages, there will be more and more lawyers who are able to speak foreign languages, then buyers can more easily ask Chinese lawyer to work for them to control risk.

Again please remember: China is making the whole world live better, Chinese traders are the main stream of trade fraud, we can not get rid of these bad traders easily, the only way is:

BE CAREFUL WHEN BUYING FROM CHINA!

Quoting from [giftangel1]: run, run, run

Besides prejudice, what else do you have to offer? If China were such a chesspool as you are trying to paint it, don't you think people would have given up buying from them decades ago? But business is increasing rapidly! What do you think why?

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But business is increasing rapidly! What do you think why?

This reply is nonsensical because Germex and giftangel1 are writing on essentially two different topics.


Viruses, cancers, fungi, military forces, and apparently racial prejudices increase rapidly given favourable conditions. Rapid growth is not necessarily synonymous with desirability.


Giving Germex the benefit of any doubt, I presume he means legitimate enterprise and manufacture. China's growth in these arenas is indisputable.


giftangel1 - at least from reading that person's comment - seems concerned with illegitimate and fraudulent activity. Unfortunately, by generalising an observation that 300 complaints are, well, complaints into an argument advising to "beware the slimy gook", any real benefit to be gathered from the initial observation "goes [poof] up in smoke" as quickly as giftangel1's money and credibility.


We finally seem to have a knowledgeable Chinese lawyer posting level-headed comments. Could we not all benefit from this person's advice and experience?

Quoting from [000000]:This reply is nonsensical...

Aren't you being a little too harsh with your adjective? In any case, giftangel's comments were nonsensical, because he went way over the top. Or do you see anything reasonable in stating that all China is a cesspool?

By the way, "gift" is German for "poison". Remembering "nomen est omen", it doesn't surprise me that he was just spewing out poison instead of contributing with an honest "down to the facts" complaint.

Quoting from [germex]:

Quoting from [giftangel1]: run, run, run

Besides prejudice, what else do you have to offer? If China were such a chesspool as you are trying to paint it, don't you think people would have given up buying from them decades ago? But business is increasing rapidly! What do you think why?

apparently you missed the gist of the message- alibaba is the cesspool. 99% of all suppliers listed here that are gold suppliers are only gold suppliers because they paid $500 for the tag. they are not even verified businesses and alibaba does nothing to police this site. people are getting ripped off in a big way on this site and alibaba does nothing but hide behind a guise suggesting buyer beware in all cases. i dont have a lick of prejudice in my body. i just dont like being lied to repeatedly. i'll tell you what why dont you go ahead and buy an apple iphone from anyone of 100 sellers on this site that claim to have them and see what you get. most are selling for less than $200 each. hint: apple only distributes to authorized apple dealers and for a retial cost of about $600 per phone trust me no authorized dealer gets them for that price much less getting it for less so as to be able to sell them at 200 for a profit. i even have people (chinese of course) telling me that if i buy 10 or more they will sell them for $120 each. now these phones are selling like mad for nearly $1000 on ebay all day long -- most vendors push upwards of 5 phones per day at this price. so far the highest price i have seen someone trying to sell a "legit" apple iphone on alibaba for is $360 and 90% are selling between $150-300. so the cespool comment is geared at knwoingly taking advantage of newbies who are apt to believe that this gold supplier is something they can trust and that alibaba has got their back when it comes to scam transactions and false advertising. apparently you are unaware that every iphone being sold as an apple iphone on alibaba is fake. try dropshipping a few of those and see what kind of reputation you build on ebay. its enough to cripple someone just starting out if they buy the bs and then get flooded with negative feedback. this site is all about the greedy chinaman taking advantage of the world. just facts. no more no less. what say you now my good man?

Quoting from [giftangel1]:apparently you missed the gist of the message...

I don't care what the gist of your message is, as long as it's way off track. All markets are governed by the laws of offer and demand, and this site is no exception. Together with many newbies, you'll also find some "hard-boiled" experienced traders here... for some good reason! This fact alone should make you scratch your head and realize that your cesspool theory is wrong. There are of course some rotten apples, but "cesspool" is way over the top.

You can not find one country without any prisons;

You can not find one garden without any gr .

 

If you put one small leaf very close before your eyes, you can not see the high mountain just standing before your head.

 

Cause the small leaf has blocked your eyes.

Quoting from [giftangel1]:

Quoting from [germex]:

Quoting from [giftangel1]: run, run, run

Besides prejudice, what else do you have to offer? If China were such a chesspool as you are trying to paint it, don't you think people would have given up buying from them decades ago? But business is increasing rapidly! What do you think why?

apparently you missed the gist of the message- alibaba is the cesspool. 99% of all suppliers listed here that are gold suppliers are only gold suppliers because they paid $500 for the tag. they are not even verified businesses and alibaba does nothing to police this site. people are getting ripped off in a big way on this site and alibaba does nothing but hide behind a guise suggesting buyer beware in all cases. i dont have a lick of prejudice in my body. i just dont like being lied to repeatedly. i'll tell you what why dont you go ahead and buy an apple iphone from anyone of 100 sellers on this site that claim to have them and see what you get. most are selling for less than $200 each. hint: apple only distributes to authorized apple dealers and for a retial cost of about $600 per phone trust me no authorized dealer gets them for that price much less getting it for less so as to be able to sell them at 200 for a profit. i even have people (chinese of course) telling me that if i buy 10 or more they will sell them for $120 each. now these phones are selling like mad for nearly $1000 on ebay all day long -- most vendors push upwards of 5 phones per day at this price. so far the highest price i have seen someone trying to sell a "legit" apple iphone on alibaba for is $360 and 90% are selling between $150-300. so the cespool comment is geared at knwoingly taking advantage of newbies who are apt to believe that this gold supplier is something they can trust and that alibaba has got their back when it comes to scam transactions and false advertising. apparently you are unaware that every iphone being sold as an apple iphone on alibaba is fake. try dropshipping a few of those and see what kind of reputation you build on ebay. its enough to cripple someone just starting out if they buy the bs and then get flooded with negative feedback. this site is all about the greedy chinaman taking advantage of the world. just facts. no more no less. what say you now my good man?

you are dead on this is a cesspool, Alibaba take all the profit and hides behind they BS regulations and Gold Supplier standars. What does a supplier need to do to become a gold member besides having a valid email address. old man doesn't agree becasue he didn't pay $2,600 usd for cell phones and received a box with 2 shoe laces....Alibaba is a bigger scammer than all this fake suppliers.

Quoting from [nicolascastro]:you are dead on this is a cesspool, Alibaba take all the profit and hides behind they BS regulations and Gold Supplier standars. What does a supplier need to do to become a gold member besides having a valid email address. old man doesn't agree becasue he didn't pay $2,600 usd for cell phones and received a box with 2 shoe laces....Alibaba is a bigger scammer than all this fake suppliers.

Well, if this site really is that cesspool you say, then you would be part of the sewer in it...

Quoting from [giftangel1]:

Quoting from [germex]:

Quoting from [giftangel1]: run, run, run

Besides prejudice, what else do you have to offer? If China were such a chesspool as you are trying to paint it, don't you think people would have given up buying from them decades ago? But business is increasing rapidly! What do you think why?

apparently you missed the gist of the message- alibaba is the cesspool. 99% of all suppliers listed here that are gold suppliers are only gold suppliers because they paid $500 for the tag. they are not even verified businesses and alibaba does nothing to police this site. people are getting ripped off in a big way on this site and alibaba does nothing but hide behind a guise suggesting buyer beware in all cases. i dont have a lick of prejudice in my body. i just dont like being lied to repeatedly. i'll tell you what why dont you go ahead and buy an apple iphone from anyone of 100 sellers on this site that claim to have them and see what you get. most are selling for less than $200 each. hint: apple only distributes to authorized apple dealers and for a retial cost of about $600 per phone trust me no authorized dealer gets them for that price much less getting it for less so as to be able to sell them at 200 for a profit. i even have people (chinese of course) telling me that if i buy 10 or more they will sell them for $120 each. now these phones are selling like mad for nearly $1000 on ebay all day long -- most vendors push upwards of 5 phones per day at this price. so far the highest price i have seen someone trying to sell a "legit" apple iphone on alibaba for is $360 and 90% are selling between $150-300. so the cespool comment is geared at knwoingly taking advantage of newbies who are apt to believe that this gold supplier is something they can trust and that alibaba has got their back when it comes to scam transactions and false advertising. apparently you are unaware that every iphone being sold as an apple iphone on alibaba is fake. try dropshipping a few of those and see what kind of reputation you build on ebay. its enough to cripple someone just starting out if they buy the bs and then get flooded with negative feedback. this site is all about the greedy chinaman taking advantage of the world. just facts. no more no less. what say you now my good man?

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have spent days and days searching this site for information, facts, assurances and above all, common decency in business.

I am new to this site, as yet have not purchased anything from it, have been contacted by a mirriad of "Gold " members all offering fantastic deals on this or that.

Trawling through the forums, I have come to the concluson that there are no genuine and honest people to do business wth in China who advertise on this site. Price is not eveything for me, I view it that it is far better to sell 100 items at £1 profit then 1 item at £50 profit, so I was not looking for genuine products at incredulosly low prices, I was however, looking for decent honest traders who will give me a straight answer to a straight question and supply the goods that they have agreed to supply at a price and date agreed.

Alas, it would appear that this is impossible on this site and that this site only survives by introducing new, green customers to the wolves of the Chinese markets.

It is sad that business cannot be conducted in a suitable way between European customers and manufacturers in what once was a very honourable country.