Person A is an e-buyer

Person B is an e-seller (potential impostor)

 

Payment method T/T or Western Union Transfer

Step One: They agree on a deal via e-mails.

 

Step Two:  Person A goes to his bank and gives the instructions for paying but leaves the money order at stand by regime. He gives all necessary data regarding product he is buying. Then bank (officially thought secure connection) sends e-massage to the authorized authorities in the country he is buying a product informing them that money is ready, at stand by regime.

 

Person B submits the ordered item (if he has one at all) to the authorized authorities in his country for inspection at the delivery department from his country (airports or harbor).  Inspecting officer then sends e-message to the bank of a buyer confirming that purchased item is checked. (Exists at all)  (Officially thought secure connection)

 

Step Three.

 

Then buyer bank releases the money order and seller can collect his money.  On the other side inspecting officer allows the parcel to cross the border and buyer can wait for the item in due time.   

In case that buyer does not receive confirmation from the inspecting officer he simply cancels the money order and saves his money from impostor seller.  

At least if something goes wrong (perhaps corrupted inspecting officer in the country of a seller) buyer can know a responsible person and act accordingly.

 

This method can be done only if the governments of the sellers are willing to make their trade more reliable and trustworthy and pass the law to make this doable.

Quoting from [flesch26]:

 

 

In a nutshell that is escrow.

Quoting from [flesch26]:

Person A is an e-buyer

Person B is an e-seller (potential impostor)

 

Payment method T/T or Western Union Transfer

Step One: They agree on a deal via e-mails.

 

Step Two:  Person A goes to his bank and gives the instructions for paying but leaves the money order at stand by regime. He gives all necessary data regarding product he is buying. Then bank (officially thought secure connection) sends e-massage to the authorized authorities in the country he is buying a product informing them that money is ready, at stand by regime.

 

Person B submits the ordered item (if he has one at all) to the authorized authorities in his country for inspection at the delivery department from his country (airports or harbor).  Inspecting officer then sends e-message to the bank of a buyer confirming that purchased item is checked. (Exists at all)  (Officially thought secure connection)

 

Step Three.

 

Then buyer bank releases the money order and seller can collect his money.  On the other side inspecting officer allows the parcel to cross the border and buyer can wait for the item in due time.   

In case that buyer does not receive confirmation from the inspecting officer he simply cancels the money order and saves his money from impostor seller.  

At least if something goes wrong (perhaps corrupted inspecting officer in the country of a seller) buyer can know a responsible person and act accordingly.

 

This method can be done only if the governments of the sellers are willing to make their trade more reliable and trustworthy and pass the law to make this doable.

 

Is there any guarantee that the paying bank or buyer will finally instruct to effected payment of their standby fund to seller after their receipt e-message from inspector or after seller ship the goods?

Is there any guarantee that the seller's shipped the goods after they received the funds? in good manner (timely, in order quality and quantity)?

is the buyer banks able to verify the authentication of Inspector's message and otherwise?

What if, a new company with a small capital received an order exceeding their capability of fund unless paid first maybe at least 50% of the production costs. They have the product, but don't have enough capital to meet the order. Can they be assumed as fraud??? I dón't think so. If the buyer pays, they can surely fulfill the inquiry...

Quoting from [flesch26]:

Person A is an e-buyer

Person B is an e-seller (potential impostor)

 

Payment method T/T or Western Union Transfer

Step One: They agree on a deal via e-mails.

 

Step Two:  Person A goes to his bank and gives the instructions for paying but leaves the money order at stand by regime. He gives all necessary data regarding product he is buying. Then bank (officially thought secure connection) sends e-massage to the authorized authorities in the country he is buying a product informing them that money is ready, at stand by regime.

 

Person B submits the ordered item (if he has one at all) to the authorized authorities in his country for inspection at the delivery department from his country (airports or harbor).  Inspecting officer then sends e-message to the bank of a buyer confirming that purchased item is checked. (Exists at all)  (Officially thought secure connection)

 

Step Three.

 

Then buyer bank releases the money order and seller can collect his money.  On the other side inspecting officer allows the parcel to cross the border and buyer can wait for the item in due time.   

In case that buyer does not receive confirmation from the inspecting officer he simply cancels the money order and saves his money from impostor seller.  

At least if something goes wrong (perhaps corrupted inspecting officer in the country of a seller) buyer can know a responsible person and act accordingly.

 

This method can be done only if the governments of the sellers are willing to make their trade more reliable and trustworthy and pass the law to make this doable.

Isn't the same procedures in normal trade. Like Ranger response, it's just escrow.


And what if the buyer is potential impostor?


If ppl are honest there's no need of rules. Because of breaking promises, these trade regulations has to be set up.

Quoting from [Theon]:

Quoting from [flesch26]:

Person A is an e-buyer

Person B is an e-seller (potential impostor)

Payment method T/T or Western Union Transfer

Step One: They agree on a deal via e-mails.

 

Step Two:  Person A goes to his bank and gives the instructions for paying but leaves the money order at stand by regime. He gives all necessary data regarding product he is buying. Then bank (officially thought secure connection) sends e-massage to the authorized authorities in the country he is buying a product informing them that money is ready, at stand by regime.

Person B submits the ordered item (if he has one at all) to the authorized authorities in his country for inspection at the delivery department from his country (airports or harbor).  Inspecting officer then sends e-message to the bank of a buyer confirming that purchased item is checked. (Exists at all)  (Officially thought secure connection)

 

Step Three.

 

Then buyer bank releases the money order and seller can collect his money.  On the other side inspecting officer allows the parcel to cross the border and buyer can wait for the item in due time.   

In case that buyer does not receive confirmation from the inspecting officer he simply cancels the money order and saves his money from impostor seller.  

At least if something goes wrong (perhaps corrupted inspecting officer in the country of a seller) buyer can know a responsible person and act accordingly.

 

This method can be done only if the governments of the sellers are willing to make their trade more reliable and trustworthy and pass the law to make this doable.

Isn't the same procedures in normal trade. Like Ranger response, it's just escrow.



And what if the buyer is potential impostor?



If ppl are honest there's no need of rules. Because of breaking promises, these trade regulations has to be set up.


Quting from (flesch26): I could not agree more than you.

I think it is not the duty of a government (if there is a state involved in this, corruption is guaranteed). Also this method will not work in many cases, it will not be economical with small transactions. You can achieve basically the same result if you involve your own inspection agent who cares about your interests and rights, with much more flexibility. I for myself like to control as much of the process as possible, and I would be very reluctant to give the task of verification - which is a strategic part of a transaction - to some bored and ignorant state official.


Any serious supplier will accept your inspector, and no scammer will agree on a third-party check whatsoever - because they have nothing to be checked.


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Quoting from [Gabor Bathori]:


I think it is not the duty of a government (if there is a state involved in this, corruption is guaranteed). Also this method will not work in many cases, it will not be economical with small transactions. You can achieve basically the same result if you involve your own inspection agent who cares about your interests and rights, with much more flexibility. I for myself like to control as much of the process as possible, and I would be very reluctant to give the task of verification - which is a strategic part of a transaction - to some bored and ignorant state official.



Any serious supplier will accept your inspector, and no scammer will agree on a third-party check whatsoever - because they have nothing to be checked.



c[ ]Quoting from flesch26


I accept your way of checking personally every transaction, but obviously for that job you need a permanent agent in the country of the goods origin. My idea for more secure e-trade was referring to the singular trade not permanent business and for the goods with low value ( obviously the target of scammers) . The best way is to close the deal personally but for the smaller items it is not payable to go directly to the supplier. My starting point was that buyer is reliable and supplier is not as the majority of frauds came from fallse suppliers and distributors. Therefore I introduced an idea of third party (as a controller of a suppliers) And if the controllers are corupted at least buyer will know the name of that person and can make some actions on official level which is not the case with the fake name of suppier, who acts under false name and address.  The most important is that the payed good existe at all and in a good condition. And that can only be verified by the customs officers in the country of departure of goods. Without official confirmation buyer should not release his money.   

Yes you are right, I have some good friends in China who are always ready to do some verification for me if I ask and pay them a fee. Maybe your idea would spark the founding an enterprise which specializes itself in checking and verifying small transactions of a few hundred dollars. It could be done with little material investment, and could be performed by a network of part-time agents who work on a commission (just like mistery buyers here in Europe).


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Quoting from [Gabor Bathori]:


Yes you are right, I have some good friends in China who are always ready to do some verification for me if I ask and pay them a fee. Maybe your idea would spark the founding an enterprise which specializes itself in checking and verifying small transactions of a few hundred dollars. It could be done with little material investment, and could be performed by a network of part-time agents who work on a commission (just like mistery buyers here in Europe).



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Quoting from flesch26


I agree with you. Maybe that type of specialized agency or enterprises or trustworthy individuals can solve the problems. The question is who is capable to create a network of checking agents in more than one country (China, Taiwan, Indonesia) and make it public for the rest of the world so that all small buyers can trade through that companies.