Mark & Spencer imports wood-furniture, Is not Eco-friendly ?
Post 1 of 14
A hot question to answer by UK community ! refer to ecologic issue..
Mark &Spencer recently had operated in Java via their Trading agent .
Buying a BIG quantity of wooden Furniture from Java island , Indonesia.
last year ... it may be (assuming) more than 3 million Pounds of placing Order
even nearly 5 Millions £ if it been delivered as the target.
How did M&S got the sources and how were Hundreds containers of wood
been brought to Britain from Develop countries that still "Un-controlled and Un-orgonized"
Whilst , on the others hands The World, EU- C ( and UK) are very concern about the issue of
Global - Warm/Heat upon Forest (Green) destruction by Tropical countries 'Lung of Earth"?
Thus, UK's society must know the "truth situation" of it.
Very Ironic ... Concerning / complaining about Global Heat but Buying a hundreds
containers of Wood Furniture from Tropical country (=also Indonesia) ?
People of Britain : need to know precisely
Is the wood that M&S bought are coming from Sustainable (Plantation) or wild-cut ?
- The M&S supplier had followed / full filled the all M&S requirements (as requested) or Not ?
- Did the Supplier of M&S had A Community Social Responsibility or not ?
such this CSR or Community Development had been consistently be implemented or just
a bunch of papers forms that just been signed ?
- Did M & S had been periodically really inspect and check about the implementing of
all those "Properly Way" of CSR practicing or just "Porto Folio" or Formality Mask ?
- Did M & S had carefully select and screening their Supplier that really Accountable and
Credible and Accountable suppliers or Just picking Up another One of the link of Chains for
Irresponsible coy upon CSR or Com-Dev ? that only hunting and making Big Money in their
Pocket. Also not care about the Ecolog , Labor/worker welfare, etc
If M&S can not show the brief and firm evidence of all above Issues , then what ?
You , the English Peoples are indirectly taking part and share in the Improper Act of :
- Ecology (Green) destruction !
- Environment destructive ! Non CSR and Com dev ?
- Improper done upon the human = labor, worker, women etc
- Indirectly help to growth Semi-illegal practice in developing country.
Mark &Spencer recently had operated in Java via their Trading agent .
Buying a BIG quantity of wooden Furniture from Java island , Indonesia.
last year ... it may be (assuming) more than 3 million Pounds of placing Order
even nearly 5 Millions £ if it been delivered as the target.
How did M&S got the sources and how were Hundreds containers of wood
been brought to Britain from Develop countries that still "Un-controlled and Un-orgonized"
Whilst , on the others hands The World, EU- C ( and UK) are very concern about the issue of
Global - Warm/Heat upon Forest (Green) destruction by Tropical countries 'Lung of Earth"?
Thus, UK's society must know the "truth situation" of it.
Very Ironic ... Concerning / complaining about Global Heat but Buying a hundreds
containers of Wood Furniture from Tropical country (=also Indonesia) ?
People of Britain : need to know precisely
Is the wood that M&S bought are coming from Sustainable (Plantation) or wild-cut ?
- The M&S supplier had followed / full filled the all M&S requirements (as requested) or Not ?
- Did the Supplier of M&S had A Community Social Responsibility or not ?
such this CSR or Community Development had been consistently be implemented or just
a bunch of papers forms that just been signed ?
- Did M & S had been periodically really inspect and check about the implementing of
all those "Properly Way" of CSR practicing or just "Porto Folio" or Formality Mask ?
- Did M & S had carefully select and screening their Supplier that really Accountable and
Credible and Accountable suppliers or Just picking Up another One of the link of Chains for
Irresponsible coy upon CSR or Com-Dev ? that only hunting and making Big Money in their
Pocket. Also not care about the Ecolog , Labor/worker welfare, etc
If M&S can not show the brief and firm evidence of all above Issues , then what ?
You , the English Peoples are indirectly taking part and share in the Improper Act of :
- Ecology (Green) destruction !
- Environment destructive ! Non CSR and Com dev ?
- Improper done upon the human = labor, worker, women etc
- Indirectly help to growth Semi-illegal practice in developing country.
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01 Sep 2008 21:24
Post 2 of 14
Quoting from [Oneuni]:
The Hot Topics for UK community !
M&S recently had operated in Java via their Trading agent .
Buying a BIG quantity of wooden Furniture from Java island , Indonesia.
last year ... it may be (assuming) more than 3 million Pounds of placing Order
even nearly 5 Millions £ if it been delivered as the target or More than this.
Among it, how did M&S got the sources and how were Hundreds containers of wood
been brought to Britain from Develop countries that still "Un-controlled and Un-orgonized"
Whilst , on the others hands The World, EU ( and UK) are very concern about the issue of
Global - Heat upon Forest (Green) destruction by Tropical countries 'Lung of Earth"?
Thus, UK's society must know the "truth situation" of that Top-Issues"
Very Ironic ... Concerning / complaining about Global Heat but Buying ( Proper ?) hundreds
containers of Wood Furniture from Tropical country ( also Indonesia) ??
People of Britain : need to know precisely
- Is the wood that M&S Bought are coming from Sustainable (Plantation) or wild-cut ?
- The M&S supplier had followed / full filled the all M&S requirements (as requested) or Not ?
- Did the Supplier of M&S had A Community Social Responsibility or not ?
such this CSR or Community Development had been consistently be implemented or just
a bunch of papers forms that just been signed ?
- Did M & S had been periodically really inspect and check about the implementing of
all those "Properly Way" of CSR practicing or just "Porto Folio" or Formality Mask ?
- Did M & S had carefully select and screening their Supplier that really Accountable and
Creditable and Audible companies Or Just picking Up another One of the link of Chains for
Irresponsible of CSR or Com-Dev team ? that only hunting and making Big Money in their
Own Pocket. Also do not care about the Ecology , Labor/worker welfare, etc
If M&S can not show the brief and firm evidence of all above Issues , then what ?
You the English Peoples are taking part and share in the Improper Act of :
- Ecology (Green) destruction !
- Environment destructive ! Non CSR and Com dev ?
- Improper done upon the human = labor, worker, women etc
- In directly help to growth Semi-illegal practice in developing country.
Have you ever come to indonesia???buying wild cutting wood are illegal in Indonesia,And we will get much trouble from the police.Indonesia goverment are very concern about ecology now.And we from Furniture industry asocation never buy wild cut wood.
Most of indonesia illegal Lodging wood are sell to Singapore,Brazil,and Japan and europe (Lodge Wood not Furniture Stuff)
03 Sep 2008 14:04
Post 3 of 14
Quoting from [Husen]:Thanks Husen
Most of indonesia illegal Lodging wood are sell to Singapore,Brazil,and Japan and europe (Lodge Wood not Furniture Stuff)
- can you tell us which association that you joint with ?
- In Mark & Spencer (UK) above topic, we are more concern not only for the wild cut,
but the Social Responsibility to Community or Community Development ...
Not to say that as a case of Illegal lodging ..
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04 Sep 2008 14:52
Post 4 of 14
If Indonesia Government can prevent Wild burning ... We will pray God and Allah... for no smoke Oct and Nov. A comment from your neighbouring country.
It used to be quite easy to get the Indonesia Navy to be involved in illegal logging and export activity... How it works in Indonesia, the Navy or the Army simply detain the logs from the illegal loggers, and then sell these logs at 50% discount to a cooperative Buyer.
I hope that this type of activity is discouraged, since trees are still being cut, and illegal loggers are still plentiful to risk it all.
It used to be quite easy to get the Indonesia Navy to be involved in illegal logging and export activity... How it works in Indonesia, the Navy or the Army simply detain the logs from the illegal loggers, and then sell these logs at 50% discount to a cooperative Buyer.
I hope that this type of activity is discouraged, since trees are still being cut, and illegal loggers are still plentiful to risk it all.
15 Sep 2008 00:45
Post 5 of 14
Quoting from [francis teo]:Thanks Francis, of being concern
If Indonesia Government can prevent Wild burning ... We will pray God and Allah... for no smoke Oct and Nov. A comment from your neighbouring country.
In a matter of fact in every "deal-trade" (legal or not legal)
there are 2 both parties in the transaction.
seller and buyer, is it right ? dou you agree ?
So, as I said in this topic, the buyer as the motivation of an action/act.
is the part of the roll.
M&S UK buyer had deal with X company that some how it been generated and stong
motivation to supply it. so it goes..
than the Britain people buying it in very enthusiasm ! (good selling).
This, actually had been the "support" and self motive to M&S and suppliers to keep doing
the act as a profit maker- causal-prime ..(core of the motive).
As a nature of market, less demand is mean less supply. NO demand No supply.
If you and UK's community of M&S customers can reduce the demanding, then the supply
offering also can be redeem..
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15 Sep 2008 03:06
Post 6 of 14
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/news/environment-news/thailand-logging-apvin.html See that link... about illegal logging in Laos and Vietnam...
Strictly speaking that is part of what a developing country will do... cause market forces,
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/345261/Money_for_Amazon_Rainforest_Protection_is_Misuse_for_chopping_of_more_trees.htm
Change the demand to other substainable wood sources, and regrow our trees... is the solution.
In Singapore. pple buy wood not becos it is cheap, but for the grain and texture... can we change this by creating man made timber. while providing the texture.
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/345261/Money_for_Amazon_Rainforest_Protection_is_Misuse_for_chopping_of_more_trees.htm
Change the demand to other substainable wood sources, and regrow our trees... is the solution.
In Singapore. pple buy wood not becos it is cheap, but for the grain and texture... can we change this by creating man made timber. while providing the texture.
15 Sep 2008 08:16
Post 7 of 14
Francis :
the only reason developing country will do... cause market forces,
Change the demand to other sustainable wood sources, and regrow our trees... is the solution.
well Francis,
if You/ people for some reason can push they gov ( UK for instance) to really care not only find a black sheep or complaining with no Irrational / senses against develop and under develop countries that really under level...in many aspects.
It suppose to do :
1. Strict and tight regulation for import the wooden furniture/products from trees/forest etc
2. Tax and Duty is OK also can be the filter to slow down the rating of demanding.
3. Get limit/quota, restriction and nomination for (ONLY) few importers for it that really had
passed and fulfilled the rule/regulation.
buy these 2 control/filter, it must can redeem the hi-light of wild cut and Global Heat/Warm !
So.. those are the evidence of care of earth/ green from society.
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16 Sep 2008 00:43
Post 8 of 14
Quoting from [Oneuni]:
Francis :
the only reason developing country will do... cause market forces,
Change the demand to other sustainable wood sources, and regrow our trees... is the solution.
well Francis,
if You/ people for some reason can push they gov ( UK for instance) to really care not only find a black sheep or complaining with no Irrational / senses against develop and under develop countries that really under level...in many aspects.
It suppose to do :
1. Strict and tight regulation for import the wooden furniture/products from trees/forest etc
2. Tax and Duty is OK also can be the filter to slow down the rating of demanding.
3. Get limit/quota, restriction and nomination for (ONLY) few importers for it that really had
passed and fulfilled the rule/regulation.
buy these 2 control/filter, it must can redeem the hi-light of wild cut and Global Heat/Warm !
So.. those are the evidence of care of earth/ green from society.
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Agreed... All these factors are needed to control the demand and supply ...
16 Sep 2008 12:23
Post 9 of 14
Eco-friendly timber from sustainable plantation... is only possible if Indonesia government has the governing body to ensure that timber exports are FSC certified or equivalent.
I believe strong export regulations and policing is neccessary to ensure that to happen.
16 Sep 2008 13:15
Post 10 of 14
Instead of accusing Marks and Spencer of not being environmentally friendly.
Why dont we understand that they are not aware.
Many Buyers are ignorant about where they get their wood from, and even if it is certified as FSC. who knows... exactly what happens behind the back...
Or
They simply want to maximize profit margin, and get wood from uncertified sources...
Being Green and environmentally friendly take a extra concisious effort. and extra money in verification.
End of the day, we are looking at how the consumer pressure the Importers to adhere to the consumer demand... Cos Consumer is the King... Demand for environmentally friendly and certified green product, will ensure that Marks and Spencer jump into the green bandwagon.
16 Sep 2008 21:02
Post 11 of 14
Francis,
The more frankly speaking is :
The Green ngo and other country are not ethic to intervention other country Autonomy
Better do to care, educate, vocal, in their own peoples, society and country to aware
and to establish the STRONG CONCERN and the REAL ACT of CARE & AWARE.
i/o complaining and talking others country management/control/problem/weakness etc.
It did not help against Global Heat /Warm and to Environ or Eco-friend principal /target.
because 1 hand they are protesting and complaining, whilst the Order/containers from them
are double/tripled and more and more time by time !? what we could say for such this ?
World - Community Social Responsibility = C S R
Safe our Earth together and with gathering not in
Save for yourself but not safe for us.
The more frankly speaking is :
The Green ngo and other country are not ethic to intervention other country Autonomy
Better do to care, educate, vocal, in their own peoples, society and country to aware
and to establish the STRONG CONCERN and the REAL ACT of CARE & AWARE.
i/o complaining and talking others country management/control/problem/weakness etc.
It did not help against Global Heat /Warm and to Environ or Eco-friend principal /target.
because 1 hand they are protesting and complaining, whilst the Order/containers from them
are double/tripled and more and more time by time !? what we could say for such this ?
World - Community Social Responsibility = C S R
Safe our Earth together and with gathering not in
Save for yourself but not safe for us.
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17 Sep 2008 06:36