For those reason, the Shipping coy or Liner operator, had put (applied) additional charges
of Currency, Petrol, Bunker etc .....
In fact all of those factors Must be their own Business Risk, that not should be charged to
the Users/clients/customers.
The Shipping coy. must do The Forward contract, it may also a SWAP or another Future trade to keep stable the tariff/rate. No more unpredict and un stable factors that would be under the Traders/customer's Risk.
All traders & Gov.... United now and make " the Memorandum agenda"
No more speculating and Un stable services in Global trade shipments. !!
Must be more Stable and Fix rate One. !
Quoting from [Oneuni]:
We do know the currency, Petril are fluctuated and Up and Down Unpredictable!
For those reason, the Shipping coy or Liner operator, had put (applied) additional charges
of Currency, Petrol, Bunker etc .....
In fact all of those factors Must be their own Business Risk, that not should be charged to
the Users/clients/customers.
The Shipping coy. must do The Forward contract, it may also a SWAP or another Future trade
to keep stable the tariff/rate. No more unpredict and un stable factors that would be under the
Traders/customer's Risk.
All traders & Gov.... United now and make " the Memorandum agenda"
No more speculating and Un stable services in Global trade shipments. !!
Must be more Stable and Fix rate One. !
Umm. Ok according to this point. Lets say you have made the contract, and for BAF you would like to accept a fixed rates for 600USD. and actually afterwards the official BAF dropped down to 200 USD. So will you still want to pay the extra 400USD?
Also same like you, shipping company dont want to pay for the risk of any change of the uncertainty. But they are providing the services, setting up the standard rules, if you want to challange, simply they can refuse to do the service to you. so what can you do man?
Good thoughts for you to make everything to a fixed rates. and how about your clients, do you offer them the same rates all the time without any changing?
Quoting from [Daniel_Zhao]:Thanks for your critics Daniel.Quoting from [Oneuni]:
We do know the currency, Petril are fluctuated and Up and Down Unpredictable!
For those reason, the Shipping coy or Liner operator, had put (applied) additional charges of Currency, Petrol, Bunker etc .....
In fact all of those factors Must be their own Business Risk, that not should be charged to the Users/clients/customers.
The Shipping coy. must do The Forward contract, it may also a SWAP or another Future trade to keep stable the tariff/rate. No more unpredict and un stable factors that would be under theTraders/customer's Risk.
All traders & Gov.... United now and make " the Memorandum agenda"
No more speculating and Un stable services in Global trade shipments. !!
Must be more Stable and Fix rate One. !Umm. Ok according to this point. Lets say you have made the contract, and for BAF you would like to accept a fixed rates for 600USD. and actually afterwards the official BAF dropped down to 200 USD. So will you still want to pay the extra 400USD?
Also same like you, shipping company dont want to pay for the risk of any change of the uncertainty. But they are providing the services, setting up the standard rules, if you want to challange, simply they can refuse to do the service to you. so what can you do man?
Good thoughts for you to make everything to a fixed rates. and how about your clients, do you offer them the same rates all the time without any changing?
Before go further, how long you in the forwarder business ?
carefully, you are talking with a Senior in this field (FYI).
How far do you know about Forward contract and SWAP in Forex ?
What do you know about Oil Spot as Future trading or stock exchange ?
You maybe as agent or FF, but you do not know about Oil and BAF, the way you
figure a drop dawn Fuel from 600 to 200 $ is out of normal sense.
Beside, the topic is definitely very clear that NON FAF, CAF & BAF , !?!
Yet you still stick & stuck with that ?
As for your last question, it shown your very green in International trade ?
Ask and find the Answer which buyer from WEstern country (USA & Europe) will happy
with that un stable prices for his contract order ? and only very short and extreme margin
of Grazy increasing/decresing of 2 digit % figure ?
As far I heard from buyers, they demand a stable price quotation not today quote and
next months increasing 7 - 15 % more ?
Last but not the least, It show your rate in forwarding, if you are big enough ? you suppose having a service contract rate from the Liner that valid in fix rate for 6 upto 12 months ?
The Liner/carrier may give it to you as you got a potential big volume and regular Uplifting.
(cargoes) alias bargaining power in a matter of 'buying rate' to have a contract rate (fix).
Oki. Let's say you have a very deep knowledge of the shipping services. But I can tell you something based on my one year FF experience.
Additional,I was in Uk for 2 and half years for my Master Degree which means I know properly what western European people thoughts about SERVICES. After graduation, I was working in Manchester for additional one year to gain more life and work experience.
So most of my foreign customer dont care too much about the slightly changing of the shipping cost of BAF,CAF etc or we say they feel its acceptable and normal. What they want most are the SERVICES and credits.
And now 20% of them want me to do the merchandise job as well which means we FF would have great potential possibility to replace the trader's position. And they are willingly to pay me the commission rates from 5% to 8% of the total value. And in terms to this number, the little BAF charging rates means nothing.
Everybody even the Newbies knows that 600USD to 200USD makes nonsense, but its just a illustration to make my statement clear. Just like the Big fish eat the Small fish. Those huge shipping companies set up the game rules, what you can do is try to get used to it. By complaining here in the forum, do you really think you can change anything?
Finally, we do have the contract with the liner cause we have at least 1000 containers to ship every month which means we had a very cheap price for shipping. And this can never be offered by any normal traders. Maybe you dont believe, simply for a Funiture factory, they have 100 contains to ship every month, and our company has a few these big customers. ^_^
Quoting from [Daniel_Zhao]:something based on my one year FF experience.
Additional,I was in Uk for 2 and half years for my Master Degree which means I know properly what western European people thoughts about SERVICES. So most of my foreign customer dont care too much about the slightly changing of the shipping cost of BAF,CAF etc or we say they feel its acceptable and normal. What they want most are the SERVICES and credits.
I see: let us hear from all Exporters from China (=Alibaba members) that you it is true, that no complain and objection about increasing and high shipping cost from China? it is more relevant isn't it ?
And now 20% of them want me to do the merchandise job as well willingly to pay me the commission rates from 5% to 8% of the total value.
just a illustration . Just like the Big fish eat the Small fish. Those huge shipping companies set up the game rules, what you can do is try to get used to it. By complaining here in the forum, do you really think you can change anything? Not me
Finally, we do have the contract with the liner cause we have at least 1000 containers to ship every month which means we had a very cheap price for shipping. And this can never be offered by any normal traders. Maybe you dont believe, simply for a Funiture factory, they have 100 contains to ship every month, and our company has a few these big customers. ^_^
good on You Daniel ! Good for China SME too ?
Quoting from [Oneuni]:
We do know the currency, Petrol are fluctuated and Up and Down Unpredictable!
For those reason, the Shipping coy or Liner operator, had put (applied) additional charges
of Currency, Petrol, Bunker etc .....
In fact all of those factors Must be their own Business Risk, that not should be charged to
the Users/clients/customers.
The Shipping coy. must do The Forward contract, it may also a SWAP or another Future trade to keep stable the tariff/rate. No more unpredict and un stable factors that would be under the Traders/customer's Risk.
All traders & Gov.... United now and make " the Memorandum agenda"
No more speculating and Un stable services in Global trade shipments. !!
Must be more Stable and Fix rate One. !
YES,I THINK SO. BUT CARRIER ARE NOT SEAMS AS EXPRESS, THERE IS NOT SO MANY PROFIT BY ONE CONTAINER. IF COSCO OFFER BETTER SERVICE BUT LOW PRICE,THERE WILL LOSS ABOUT $100~200/CONTAINER,AND THERE WILL LOSS $100,000/VOYAGE,THATS TOO MUCH. ON OTHER WAY.IF THEY HAVE A FEW CARGO ON SHIP,THERE WILL GET LESS PROFIT.......SO I THINK IF I WILL BE CARRIER,I NEED TO WORK BY MARKET EVERY WEEK....................................................IF YOU HAVE MANY CONTAINERS SEND BY EVERY MONTH, YOU WOULD HAVE STABLE RATE.
Quoting from [nbsame1]:nbsame1,Quoting from [Oneuni]:YES,I THINK SO. BUT CARRIER ARE NOT SEAMS AS EXPRESS, THERE IS NOT SO MANY PROFIT BY ONE CONTAINER. IF COSCO OFFER BETTER SERVICE BUT LOW PRICE,THERE WILL LOSS ABOUT $100~200/CONTAINER,AND THERE WILL LOSS $100,000/VOYAGE,THATS TOO MUCH. ON OTHER WAY.IF THEY HAVE A FEW CARGO ON SHIP,THERE WILL GET LESS PROFIT.......SO I THINK IF I WILL BE CARRIER,I NEED TO WORK BY MARKET EVERY WEEK....................................................IF YOU HAVE MANY CONTAINERS SEND BY EVERY MONTH, YOU WOULD HAVE STABLE RATE.
We do know the currency, Petrol are fluctuated and Up and Down Unpredictable!
For those reason, the Shipping coy or Liner operator, had put (applied) additional charges
of Currency, Petrol, Bunker etc .....
In fact all of those factors Must be their own Business Risk, that not should be charged to the Users/clients/customers.
The Shipping coy. must do The Forward contract, it may also a SWAP or another Future trade to keep stable the tariff/rate. No more unpredict and un stable factors that would be under the Traders/customer's Risk.
ll traders & Gov.... United now and make " the Memorandum agenda"
No more speculating and Un stable services in Global trade shipments. !!
Must be more Stable and Fix rate One. !
No loss 100 or 1 dolar in it , you also did not catch the forward contract ?