au101189226: Hi
budijono sutanto: hello
au101189226: I am looking to do business with an Indonesian company called Spectrum. Have you heard of them?
budijono sutanto: i haven't heard yet
budijono sutanto: what can i help u?
au101189226: We are worried that they have no website and not much information on the computer.
au101189226: The products are Fluke are a lot cheaper.
budijono sutanto: aha....please carefully
au101189226: They are based in Jakarta.
au101189226: I just noticed that you posted a forum about another person who had been scammed by money transfer.
budijono sutanto: yes
au101189226: How can we be sure that they are genuine?
budijono sutanto: okay, if you don't mine ...please let me know the phone, contact person, and adress
au101189226: This man says his name if IRV MILLER
budijono sutanto: i will trace them
budijono sutanto: irv miller? not familiar name in indonesian
au101189226: PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT UPSET THIS TRANSACTION BY SAYING WHO WE ARE AS IF THEY ARE REAL / GENUINE WE DO NOT WANT TO UPSET THE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
au101189226: I WILL GIVE YOU ADDRESS
budijono sutanto: okay
au101189226: TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
budijono sutanto: they're foreigner in indonesia?
au101189226: TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
budijono sutanto: what product will u buy??
au101189226: PLEASE WAIT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIND THE COMPANY OWNERS NAME IN EMAILS.
au101189226: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
au101189226: OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
au101189226: BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNG
au101189226: ANY HELP OR CHECK WE WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL, WE HAVE 4 YOUNG CHILDREN AND DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MONEY. WE HAVE BEEN SCAMMED BEFORE (AMERICANS, BRITISH).
budijono sutanto: yes, please don't make any payment
au101189226: Are they not a genuine company ?
budijono sutanto: i am not sure, but please don't make any payment until i get they're genuine
au101189226: I have not made any payment yet. Do I need to stay logged in or do you have to contact me later ?
budijono sutanto: wait a minute
au101189226: OK
budijono sutanto: the number 8709 is strange
au101189226: It is 8709C
budijono sutanto: have u already call them?
au101189226: I have not phoned them yet, because of being overseas and I don't speak Indonesian. Fluke are the manufacturer's name. They are an American company and make testers for electricians, such as multimeters to measure electricity.
budijono sutanto: the office number must 2 digit not 4 digit
au101189226: Do you mean the phone number ?
budijono sutanto: Jl. Tebet Barat Dalam Raya No. xx phone number 021-8xxxxxx
budijono sutanto: the phone number must use 8xxxxxx
au101189226: I am not sure what this means
budijono sutanto: i have already phone them....the number is wrong
budijono sutanto: they're exactly ----scammer
budijono sutanto: 100%
budijono sutanto: 110%
budijono sutanto: 1. the office number mus 2 digit not four digit
budijono sutanto: 2. the phone number is wrong, must 8xxxxxx ( 7 digits)
au101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
budijono sutanto: yes , they're scammer
budijono sutanto: i have already check at phone directories in bandung & jakarta
au101189226: Thank You so much for your time. You have saved us money. I had an email from them saying they will send their items tomorrow. I am not going to send any money in that case.
budijono sutanto: I have ever live in bandung, i never hear address-tebet dalam
au101189226: Their details on Alibaba show Tebet Dalam as Jakarts but their invoice which I think is just made on a computer is Bandung Jawa Barat. The thing that made us think it was a scam is their prices are about 50% of everyone elses
budijono sutanto: you're welcome.....God save u, not me please be carefull in next.....don't be hesitate to contact me
au101189226: Thanks and God Bless you
budijono sutanto: what's your name?
au101189226: James Osborne
budijono sutanto: God bless u & u'r family too, Mr. James Osborne.....this is my email : budijono sutanto:
au101189226: I will add you to my contacts. Email is ****.
James Osborne: I am signing out so have a Good Night
budijono sutanto: yes....bye takecare & good night
Quoting from [rienimayasari]:
What's the meaning of this conversation?
What's the meaning of this conversation? Aha ![[em24]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_thinking.gif){kind=icon}
Now, I don't know what u mean ![[em3]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_grin.gif){kind=icon}
Indonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNG
au101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Quoting from [davadi]:Quoting from [rienimayasari]:
What's the meaning of this conversation?
What's the meaning of this conversation? AhaIndonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNGau101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Well, thank you for the information.
Just look at a glance to their contact phone number, Jakarta people must know it's not right. 62 - 021 -6783123913
too many digits !!!
Quoting from [davadi]:This is what should be done rather than giving just prejudice comments........good job Davadi...
................ au101189226: Their details on Alibaba show Tebet Dalam as Jakarts but their invoice which I think is just made on a computer is Bandung Jawa Barat. The thing that made us think it was a scam is their prices are about 50% of everyone elses
budijono sutanto: you're welcome.....God save u, not me please be carefull in next.....don't be hesitate to contact me
au101189226: Thanks and God Bless you
budijono sutanto: what's your name?
au101189226: James Osborne
budijono sutanto: God bless u & u'r family too, Mr. James Osborne.....this is my email : budijono sutanto:
au101189226: I will add you to my contacts. Email is ****.
James Osborne: I am signing out so have a Good Night
budijono sutanto: yes....bye takecare & good night
![[em19]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_great.gif){kind=icon}
Quoting from [rienimayasari]:hahaha ... no wonder you got 10 from here.....
Well, thank you for the information.
Just look at a glance to their contact phone number, Jakarta people must know it's not right. 62 - 021 -6783123913
too many digits !!!
![[em2]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_laugh.gif){kind=icon}
Quoting from [rienimayasari]:Quoting from [davadi]:Quoting from [rienimayasari]:
What's the meaning of this conversation?
What's the meaning of this conversation? AhaIndonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNGau101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Well, thank you for the information.
Just look at a glance to their contact phone number, Jakarta people must know it's not right. 62 - 021 -6783123913
too many digits !!!
Thank u for your posting.
Yes, You're right, the right one = 7 digits = phone number 021-8xxxxxx
Quoting from [davadi]:Ehm.. Well done..Quoting from [davadi]:Indonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNG
au101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Quoting from [Oneuni]:Quoting from [davadi]:Ehm.. Well done..Quoting from [davadi]:Indonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNG
au101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Thank u Mr. Tika - Oneuni
![[em11]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_sweat.gif){kind=icon}
Quoting from [rienimayasari]:Quoting from [davadi]:Quoting from [rienimayasari]:
What's the meaning of this conversation?
What's the meaning of this conversation? AhaIndonesian company called Spectrum. -------> They're scammer
Indonesian company called Spectrum.
TEBET DALAM IV NO 8709, KAV. 9, JAKARTA 45009
TEL/ FAX SAME: 62 - 021 -6783123913
Company name: FLUKE ELECTRICAL TESTERS
OWNER: PARTA SIMBOLON
BANK: MANDIRI CITY: BANDUNGau101189226: I have just looked at their invoice and it is different to the address shown on Alibaba website. The address is shown as Tebet Dalam IV No 8709C, Kav 9, Bandung, Jawa Barat, 40295
Well, thank you for the information.
Just look at a glance to their contact phone number, Jakarta people must know it's not right. 62 - 021 -6783123913
too many digits !!!
Its seems that Indonesia export is only one product, fraud! I have been in business and
have done many International deals. No problems U.S, U.K, China, australia, canada, Mexico.
I have found NO ONE from Indonesia to be Honest seller! Sad but True!
Quoting from [davadi]:
Thank u for your posting.Yes, You're right, the right one = 7 digits = phone number 021-8xxxxxx
We know when it comes to the bad impression left by the bad people from one particular country, there is always a patriotic anger in the person of that country against the people who simply sweep everybody down with a single repundant word or phrase: "Orang Indonesia semua tipu."
However true this feeling is against a group of individuals, it cannot be said of the whole nation of people, like what I heard from an Indonesian prospect of ours back in 1976, was "Orang Singapura, semua tipu."
I understand your predicament, having being branded as "tipu" or "cheat" as a citizen of that country. Thank you for your courage to stand up, and bring these cockroaches and spiders to light. However I think your effort to expose just one or two indonesian scammer or fraud is not getting anywhere in the fight against these predators. The moment the Alibaba Team shuts one account down, ten more appear in the NEW Account of the FREE MEMBER List.
Our other Indonesian friend, a young man, full of energy and enthusiasm, hunted about 10 or more of Indonesian ffakes, he was very angry at the use of vulgar words for the company name, and I do understand his righteous indignation being a staunch Muslim, it is sin and blasphemy (DOSA.)
However, if you were to look at all the names of the companies, all of them (100%) were found to be false. This gives everyone an impression that ZERO number of Indonesian company names are real and genuine.
If this is the case, it does really affect the real and honest Indonesian companies who are trying to do Internet trading through Alibaba, and some of them are Trust Pass Members.
So, to solve this problem, we should deal with it at the root. The registration of Free membership ought to be more secured and restricted.
Many members and moderators wrote their warnings and alarm bells over so many times, yet there are new people, companies and individuals being conned every new day. Some of them report to this forum, many did not, and quietly swallow their losses with their private griefs.
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