I need opinion about this Sweden company !!!
Post 1 of 54
This company find me here on Alibaba, they sent me an email and so we made a contact.
They are suspicious, they told me that they are trust pass member here on Alibaba, but I can't find them. They have a VAT number and I checked it- it's OK.
Finaly I make a deposit on Western Union and then happened this, they make no contact to me for 2 days, so I picked up the money (-20¬ fees).![[em8]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_cry.gif)
I'm posting all our conversation, please look and make an opinion, you must read from down to up:
___________________________________________________________________ _
Hello again,
For the first, we have not a free domain to our webpage. We pay $ 189 for this webpage with domain each month. For the second we don't have any customer service within phone. Just e-mail. You have got information about this before.
If you wan't to but this 5 units, please transfer the money back to us and give us a copy for the receipt and we will ship your goods within 24 h after receiveing payment. Delivery after 3-5 days by EMS or UPS.
We can pay half the fee for Western Union this time. Just deduct the price for the phones.
__________________________________________________
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:35 +0200
> From: jovanek@volja.net
> To: eurosell@live.se
> Subject: Re: about ordering
>
> Hi.
>
> I don't know what to say.
>
> Why didn't you notify me before you gone?
>
> The money was for 2 days on the Western Union account, I told you that I
> put it on and you made no contact with me, so I become worried.
> Yesterday I gone to bank and withdraw all the money except fees (20 ¬),
> I think if you are a serious company you'll notified me about education
> or maybe you'll told about this to your collaborator or boss (isn't
> write somewhere that your company have 10 -15 employees).
> Now I become more skeptical, is this company real or another scam? Now I
> know for sure, because you didn't gave me a phone number, on other
> 2 phone numbers which I was found on some net pages and nobody answered
> when I called them, your web page is from some free domain.
>
> And even if I'm wrong, how can now I trust you? Who can return back my
> fees, if I deposit again then I lost 40¬ total for fees?? :-(
>
> BR, Jani.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Dear Jani
> >
> > Western union in sweden just e-mailed us and told us that you have
> > take back the money??
> >
> > You don't want to continnue with your order.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
> > Eurosell Nordic AB
> > - a Swedish registred limited company.
> >
> > Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
> >
> > _Visit us on the web: __www.eurosell.dinstudio.se_
> > _ _
> >_____________________________________________
> > Sorry that we have not answer your e-mail.
We have been on education yesterday and today. Just returning from Danmark, I will spoke to our financial department and se if they can pick out the money and after that we will ship the goods. Hopefully tomorrow...
Regards,
> >
> >____________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:02:59 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: about ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Why don't you contact me?
> > > Don't tell me you are a scammer?
> > > Please contact me in 24 hours.
> > >
> > > BR, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday afternoon I sent you a mail, did you got it?
> > > > It was in all about payment.
> > > > Please contact me asap,
> > > > thank you, Jani.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >___________________________________________
Dear,
I will send the invoice to you later on today, at the moment I'm out of office.
When can you transfer the money?
Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Mr. Andreas Nilsson
Sales assistant
Eurosell Nordic AB
- a Swedish registred limited company.
Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Yes we can let you mix the orders but not for just this 2 products.
> > MOQ is 5 units of each because this is NOT a standrard product and we
> > can't open the boxes. You can order 5 PSP or 5 Nintendo If you wan't.
> >
> > Mr. Mathias Martinsson is one of our financial assistants, I'm only
> > working with selling/customer service.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
_______________________________________________
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:46 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > In the middle of this mail you wrote that I can make a mixed order (I
> > > marked it red & bold, look somewhere in the middle) and now you say
> > that
> > > I can't, why?
> > > I has also one question about Western Union recipient; who is Mathias
> > > Martinsson? Can I get your firm phone to make a contact?
> > >
> > > Thank you, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > > > Dear Jani,
> > > >
> > > > You cant order 2 and 3 of this products. You have to order 5 units of
> > > > each product?
> > > >
> > > > Do you want us to send 5 PSP Black and 5 NINTENDO Red to you?
> > > >
> > > > Total cost will be 950 USD or 5700 SEK (Swedish Krona)?
> > > >
> > > > Please return with your full name and address where to send the
> > > > phones. The manual language and menu language will be English.
> > > >
> > > > Europa charger included.
> > > >
> > > > Go to Western Union and tell them that you want to send 5700 in
> > > > Swedish Krona to following person.
> > > >
> > > > Name: Mathias Martinsson
> > > > Address: Kungsgatan 8
> > > > Postalcode: 25221
> > > > City: Helsingborg
> > > >
> > > > Return to me with MTCN-no and total amount in SEK and EUR/USD and the
> > > > name and address of the sender if it's not you how transfer the money.
> > > >
> > > > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > > > *Sales assistant*
They are suspicious, they told me that they are trust pass member here on Alibaba, but I can't find them. They have a VAT number and I checked it- it's OK.
Finaly I make a deposit on Western Union and then happened this, they make no contact to me for 2 days, so I picked up the money (-20¬ fees).
I'm posting all our conversation, please look and make an opinion, you must read from down to up:
___________________________________________________________________ _
Hello again,
For the first, we have not a free domain to our webpage. We pay $ 189 for this webpage with domain each month. For the second we don't have any customer service within phone. Just e-mail. You have got information about this before.
If you wan't to but this 5 units, please transfer the money back to us and give us a copy for the receipt and we will ship your goods within 24 h after receiveing payment. Delivery after 3-5 days by EMS or UPS.
We can pay half the fee for Western Union this time. Just deduct the price for the phones.
__________________________________________________
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:35 +0200
> From: jovanek@volja.net
> To: eurosell@live.se
> Subject: Re: about ordering
>
> Hi.
>
> I don't know what to say.
>
> Why didn't you notify me before you gone?
>
> The money was for 2 days on the Western Union account, I told you that I
> put it on and you made no contact with me, so I become worried.
> Yesterday I gone to bank and withdraw all the money except fees (20 ¬),
> I think if you are a serious company you'll notified me about education
> or maybe you'll told about this to your collaborator or boss (isn't
> write somewhere that your company have 10 -15 employees).
> Now I become more skeptical, is this company real or another scam? Now I
> know for sure, because you didn't gave me a phone number, on other
> 2 phone numbers which I was found on some net pages and nobody answered
> when I called them, your web page is from some free domain.
>
> And even if I'm wrong, how can now I trust you? Who can return back my
> fees, if I deposit again then I lost 40¬ total for fees?? :-(
>
> BR, Jani.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Dear Jani
> >
> > Western union in sweden just e-mailed us and told us that you have
> > take back the money??
> >
> > You don't want to continnue with your order.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
> > Eurosell Nordic AB
> > - a Swedish registred limited company.
> >
> > Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
> >
> > _Visit us on the web: __www.eurosell.dinstudio.se_
> > _ _
> >_____________________________________________
> > Sorry that we have not answer your e-mail.
We have been on education yesterday and today. Just returning from Danmark, I will spoke to our financial department and se if they can pick out the money and after that we will ship the goods. Hopefully tomorrow...
Regards,
> >
> >____________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:02:59 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: about ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Why don't you contact me?
> > > Don't tell me you are a scammer?
> > > Please contact me in 24 hours.
> > >
> > > BR, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday afternoon I sent you a mail, did you got it?
> > > > It was in all about payment.
> > > > Please contact me asap,
> > > > thank you, Jani.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >___________________________________________
Dear,
I will send the invoice to you later on today, at the moment I'm out of office.
When can you transfer the money?
Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Mr. Andreas Nilsson
Sales assistant
Eurosell Nordic AB
- a Swedish registred limited company.
Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Yes we can let you mix the orders but not for just this 2 products.
> > MOQ is 5 units of each because this is NOT a standrard product and we
> > can't open the boxes. You can order 5 PSP or 5 Nintendo If you wan't.
> >
> > Mr. Mathias Martinsson is one of our financial assistants, I'm only
> > working with selling/customer service.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
_______________________________________________
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:46 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > In the middle of this mail you wrote that I can make a mixed order (I
> > > marked it red & bold, look somewhere in the middle) and now you say
> > that
> > > I can't, why?
> > > I has also one question about Western Union recipient; who is Mathias
> > > Martinsson? Can I get your firm phone to make a contact?
> > >
> > > Thank you, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > > > Dear Jani,
> > > >
> > > > You cant order 2 and 3 of this products. You have to order 5 units of
> > > > each product?
> > > >
> > > > Do you want us to send 5 PSP Black and 5 NINTENDO Red to you?
> > > >
> > > > Total cost will be 950 USD or 5700 SEK (Swedish Krona)?
> > > >
> > > > Please return with your full name and address where to send the
> > > > phones. The manual language and menu language will be English.
> > > >
> > > > Europa charger included.
> > > >
> > > > Go to Western Union and tell them that you want to send 5700 in
> > > > Swedish Krona to following person.
> > > >
> > > > Name: Mathias Martinsson
> > > > Address: Kungsgatan 8
> > > > Postalcode: 25221
> > > > City: Helsingborg
> > > >
> > > > Return to me with MTCN-no and total amount in SEK and EUR/USD and the
> > > > name and address of the sender if it's not you how transfer the money.
> > > >
> > > > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > > > *Sales assistant*
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26 Jul 2008 01:37
Post 2 of 54
http://www.electronics-brand.com is a scam, it's the most common type of Chinese scam around. Do a search on their motto here:
http://www.electronics-brand.com/aboutus.php
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Our+belief%3A+credit+is+the+first%2C+customers+are+our+god%22
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15027
http://dropshipforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=5150
http://www.electronics-brand.com/aboutus.php
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Our+belief%3A+credit+is+the+first%2C+customers+are+our+god%22
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15027
http://dropshipforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=5150
02 Nov 2008 15:27
Post 3 of 54
HAHAHAHAHA,trust pass here is nothing,any one can be trust pass member here if you can pay.trust pass≠trust.you know?
06 Nov 2008 01:28
Post 4 of 54
Quoting from [Egernia]:Hello Egernia!I never heard from the guy who earlier on wanted to contact me.
In light of the discussion so far perhaps I was right in my earlier post afterall.
I`ve read your other posts and i found you honest and trusting, Especially this topic i feel related because i am a Swedish citizen as well.
What will Alibaba do regarding this event ?
I am a new member of Alibaba and i am exploring, try to learn more about e-commerce. Sending e-mails to suppliers hoping to gain information on how the procedure is done, i have gotten a very limited information. Always get the usual information and more offers.
Where can i get more information on this ? (the marketing channel, from an idea/interest to making me expressing my interest to the supplier trough alibaba and then the final product in my hand)
I want to get more information for this process.
I would be extremely grateful for any advices from you or other observers.
utmost sincerely
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Joe
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29 Nov 2008 11:02