They are suspicious, they told me that they are trust pass member here on Alibaba, but I can't find them. They have a VAT number and I checked it- it's OK.
Finaly I make a deposit on Western Union and then happened this, they make no contact to me for 2 days, so I picked up the money (-20¬ fees).
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I'm posting all our conversation, please look and make an opinion, you must read from down to up:
___________________________________________________________________ _
Hello again,
For the first, we have not a free domain to our webpage. We pay $ 189 for this webpage with domain each month. For the second we don't have any customer service within phone. Just e-mail. You have got information about this before.
If you wan't to but this 5 units, please transfer the money back to us and give us a copy for the receipt and we will ship your goods within 24 h after receiveing payment. Delivery after 3-5 days by EMS or UPS.
We can pay half the fee for Western Union this time. Just deduct the price for the phones.
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:35 +0200
> From: jovanek@volja.net
> To: eurosell@live.se
> Subject: Re: about ordering
>
> Hi.
>
> I don't know what to say.
>
> Why didn't you notify me before you gone?
>
> The money was for 2 days on the Western Union account, I told you that I
> put it on and you made no contact with me, so I become worried.
> Yesterday I gone to bank and withdraw all the money except fees (20 ¬),
> I think if you are a serious company you'll notified me about education
> or maybe you'll told about this to your collaborator or boss (isn't
> write somewhere that your company have 10 -15 employees).
> Now I become more skeptical, is this company real or another scam? Now I
> know for sure, because you didn't gave me a phone number, on other
> 2 phone numbers which I was found on some net pages and nobody answered
> when I called them, your web page is from some free domain.
>
> And even if I'm wrong, how can now I trust you? Who can return back my
> fees, if I deposit again then I lost 40¬ total for fees?? :-(
>
> BR, Jani.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Dear Jani
> >
> > Western union in sweden just e-mailed us and told us that you have
> > take back the money??
> >
> > You don't want to continnue with your order.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
> > Eurosell Nordic AB
> > - a Swedish registred limited company.
> >
> > Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
> >
> > _Visit us on the web: __www.eurosell.dinstudio.se_
> > _ _
> >_____________________________________________
> > Sorry that we have not answer your e-mail.
We have been on education yesterday and today. Just returning from Danmark, I will spoke to our financial department and se if they can pick out the money and after that we will ship the goods. Hopefully tomorrow...
Regards,
> >
> >____________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:02:59 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: about ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Why don't you contact me?
> > > Don't tell me you are a scammer?
> > > Please contact me in 24 hours.
> > >
> > > BR, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday afternoon I sent you a mail, did you got it?
> > > > It was in all about payment.
> > > > Please contact me asap,
> > > > thank you, Jani.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >___________________________________________
Dear,
I will send the invoice to you later on today, at the moment I'm out of office.
When can you transfer the money?
Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Mr. Andreas Nilsson
Sales assistant
Eurosell Nordic AB
- a Swedish registred limited company.
Our VAT-NO: SE556347-909501
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > Yes we can let you mix the orders but not for just this 2 products.
> > MOQ is 5 units of each because this is NOT a standrard product and we
> > can't open the boxes. You can order 5 PSP or 5 Nintendo If you wan't.
> >
> > Mr. Mathias Martinsson is one of our financial assistants, I'm only
> > working with selling/customer service.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> >
> > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > *Sales assistant*
> >
_______________________________________________
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:46 +0200
> > > From: jovanek@volja.net
> > > To: eurosell@live.se
> > > Subject: Re: ordering
> > >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > In the middle of this mail you wrote that I can make a mixed order (I
> > > marked it red & bold, look somewhere in the middle) and now you say
> > that
> > > I can't, why?
> > > I has also one question about Western Union recipient; who is Mathias
> > > Martinsson? Can I get your firm phone to make a contact?
> > >
> > > Thank you, Jani.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Eurosell Nordic AB wrote:
> > > > Dear Jani,
> > > >
> > > > You cant order 2 and 3 of this products. You have to order 5 units of
> > > > each product?
> > > >
> > > > Do you want us to send 5 PSP Black and 5 NINTENDO Red to you?
> > > >
> > > > Total cost will be 950 USD or 5700 SEK (Swedish Krona)?
> > > >
> > > > Please return with your full name and address where to send the
> > > > phones. The manual language and menu language will be English.
> > > >
> > > > Europa charger included.
> > > >
> > > > Go to Western Union and tell them that you want to send 5700 in
> > > > Swedish Krona to following person.
> > > >
> > > > Name: Mathias Martinsson
> > > > Address: Kungsgatan 8
> > > > Postalcode: 25221
> > > > City: Helsingborg
> > > >
> > > > Return to me with MTCN-no and total amount in SEK and EUR/USD and the
> > > > name and address of the sender if it's not you how transfer the money.
> > > >
> > > > *Med vänliga hälsningar / With Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen*
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Andreas Nilsson
> > > > *Sales assistant*
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Excuse. I can not send correspondence with Andreas Nilsson Sales assistant because the system writes the following:
Text posted on Alibaba may be include some illegal words. Please rephrase.
but I hope you and so all have understood
Quoting from [vickman]:Dear Mr Roger Svensson!
Tell me please, You serious company or not? Why your employees do not answer letters in e-mail? Why as soon as I wish to arrive and buy your goods for cash, at the same time and will get acquainted for the further cooperation, your subordinates disappear? This modern business dealing? With pleasure you I shall hear. All correspondence with Mr. Nilsson can look on your e-mail.
Yours faithfully Victor
And again silence!!! These swindlers operate using real firm. But at me other question: How this site gives to such swindlers so-called trustpuss? What do they check and how in general? If hundreds buyers can be deceived on hundreds and thousand dollars? Reflect on it!!!
trustpass is easy given,just have valid vat:no and pay fee to alibaba.
regards
Quoting from [kungartur]:Audiences : we respect yours freedom of speech, but please udstd that :Quoting from [vickman]:Dear Mr Roger Svensson!
Tell me please, You serious company or not? Why your employees do not answer letters in e-mail? Why as soon as I wish to arrive and buy your goods for cash, at the same time and will get acquainted for the further cooperation, your subordinates disappear? This modern business dealing? With pleasure you I shall hear. All correspondence with Mr. Nilsson can look on your e-mail.
Yours faithfully VictorAnd again silence!!! These swindlers operate using real firm. But at me other question: How this site gives to such swindlers so-called trustpuss? What do they check and how in general? If hundreds buyers can be deceived on hundreds and thousand dollars? Reflect on it!!!
trustpass is easy given,just have valid vat:no and pay fee to alibaba
regards
- Out of the question ? Kokotj asking verification of the Eurocell which is supposed only the
Alibaba Svc team or maybe Mod's/Admin could inform this, not any parties !
- Out of topics? the Q is not to justification of "Trust Pass/Gold/Free mbr" in Alibaba !
- Out of Subjects discussion? The Q is not to talks about products (Nokia , Sony etc )
genuine/fake, branded/imitation etc .... not to verify the Cell Phone !?
- If All of you insist to talks about Legitimation !! Only Government of Switzerland that
could give a statement of this !! NOT YOU all ! even the Owner of Euro CEll, So why
do not you asking to SE-Gov about It ??
One has to know Own Status Quo and One's Limit !! Not Over-Reacting/Rules.
remember RULES : DO NOT GIVE ASSUMPTION ! but A FACT and Authentic !
Do Not Use this Media as a Street - Court !
Do Not Use this Media as a Street - Court !
Oneuni
Please do not use the word, "Street-court" do you mind to change it to "Common sense,
Who ever belive that they can buy origional brand name Nokia N95 Etc at 200 USD and buy 25 and get 30% off, realy lack any whatsoever common sense,
DID YOU AT ALL HAD A LOOK AT THERE WEBSITE AND PRIZES BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR STATMENT AND STREET-COURT
Government of Switzerland that could give a statement of this !! NOT YOU all
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After all, their prices should be enough for any informed person to dismiss them as completely fraudulent. Just as mbm said. Also, they seem to have been deleted from Alibaba which doesn't happen too easily for a TrustPass company.
Oh, and Switzerland is not Sweden. There may be certain similarities but they are still two different countries located in different parts of Europe...
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http://www.allabolag.se/5563479095
Registered in 1989, a single employee, turnover of 118 000 SEK (19 000 USD) last year, which doesn't match up at all with what the scammer has written on the website:
http://www.eurosell.dinstudio.se/
Company activities:
http://www.allabolag.se/5563479095/verksamhet
Lets just say this doesn't fit very well with dealing in mobile phones at silly prices.
I called them on the number mentioned there, which is a landline. They said that they do not deal in mobile phones. That should be enough to confirm this as a fraud, I believe.
Quoting from [FraudWatchersDotOrg]:
If someone can provide me with a phone number for them, and possibly even email headers, I would be very grateful. Scammers in Sweden who scam people outside of Sweden are quite rare, and if he really is in Sweden I would be very interested in any information on him.
I think this guy is in sweden because western union payment seems to go here and also the website is set up on swedish servers.
the person that made a transfer in a post above should be able to say more.
regards
MATE, DONT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THIS *, IF ANYONE TELLS YOU TO USE WESTERN UNION THEN TELL THEM TO GET LOST.
FIRSTLY YOU MUST GET THEIR BUISNESS DETAILS INCLUDING THE CONTACT NUMBER AND FAX NUMBER.
ALL EMAILS MUST BE IN THEIR ACCOUNT NAME AND NOT GMAIL OR HOTMAIL.
THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF IN THIS WORLD AND IT IS WHEN SOMEONE TAKES FROM YOU SO TELL HIM TO GET * AND IF HE WANTS TO DO BUISNESS, HE CAN SEND YOU THE ORDER BY L/C WHICH YOU CAN ARRANGE WITH YOUR BANK, AND IF YOU DONT GET THE GOODS THEN YOU DONT LOSE YOUR MONEY.
ALL THE BEST.
MARK
Quoting from [kungartur]:
[quote]For the first, we have not a free domain to our webpage. We pay $ 189 for this webpage with domain each month[/quote]
Quoted eurosell,they are correct the page is not free,but it costs 89skr=16u$ a month not 189 as claimed.
Also eurosell claims a turnover of 2,5million usd,i checked it and the official number says turnover of less than 0,1million usd.
the company exist,registered since 93
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