Quoting from [germex]:Quoting from [hcchoi]:Actually, your advice at the begining "Accept it and just live in peace with them" just sounded to me like only a defeatist's excuse for his coward compormise with the despoilers but I came to know through discussion you didn't mean it; nevertheless, if you knew who they were, you wouldn't say like that.I have played before with another ID in the forum but to be honest I didn't know you then so have never twisted your point. I respect your viewpoint adn I just want to correct or complement false information about Korea whenever I see in this forum...
HC
Apparently I misunderstood something, but let's not try to arrange that, because most of the times the confusion only gets worse.
Perhaps my advice "Accept it and just live in peace with them" sounds defeatist, but is product of ample life experience. I'm a fighter by nature, but not a foolish one. I fight where I have something to lose (or to win), but not for reasons like pride or whatever.
When it comes to history, there is nothing to lose or to win. The only thing history normally is "good" for is creating an unnecessary burden that only harms you, but can never possibly cause anything good. So why carry it? Pride? Not my thing!
As I said, I learned the hard way how good it is for the forgiver himself to forgive others. It makes the forgiver relax and also is the only thing that can create a better future. And that's what we all want, don't we?
I remember one time when I figuratively grabbed my own throat and "choked" myself until I forced myself to forgive somebody who had done incredible harm to me.
That happened almost 25 years ago, and it still is causing me problems sometimes. But the day I forgave him, things turned around and I was finally able to rebuild my life - at least to a good degree. And that's what I desire for you and all Koreans. - Take it from a geezer!
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Quoting from [kevinpiao]:I am a Chinese Korean born in the northeast of China where it is not very far away from the boundary between China and North Korea. From my experience I think the Korean is an ethnic group with a great pathos that most of people from western countries will never fully understand...... As we all know that China also has a unification problem but I think the 2 Korea's problem is more serious......but things will change, may be after the northern leader Kim died, the north will take a step to reform and opening up to the world just like what China did 30 years ago (after Mao died), and that will be a good chance for reunification. Otherwise even unificated, the tens of millions of people who used to living in a severe dictatorship will become a serious security threat to the south.I believe that Korea will be finally reunificated as well as China, because the eastern ethnic groups take pretty much account to unification rather spitting up...... but it's a long way to go.........For the history issues, nevermind, Koreans like looking back to the wound of the history, to cry and to be shocked by the tragedies. The estern asians are more easy to be moved by sadness rather than comedy.
Thank you so much for your insightful explanation of the situation! The way you are expressing yourself gives me the impression that you are a person who tends to observe and reflect. That is something very helpful for this discussion!
In what the reunification is concerned, the reunification of Germany was supposed to be impossible and still so happened, the reunification of Vietnam also was supposedly impossible and happened, and I'm confident that one day we'll see one single Korea and China, too.
Hope should always be the last thing to die!
Quoting from [germex]:Apparently I misunderstood something, but let's not try to arrange that, because most of the times the confusion only gets worse.
Perhaps my advice "Accept it and just live in peace with them" sounds defeatist, but is product of ample life experience. I'm a fighter by nature, but not a foolish one. I fight where I have something to lose (or to win), but not for reasons like pride or whatever.
When it comes to history, there is nothing to lose or to win. The only thing history normally is "good" for is creating an unnecessary burden that only harms you, but can never possibly cause anything good. So why carry it? Pride? Not my thing!
As I said, I learned the hard way how good it is for the forgiver himself to forgive others. It makes the forgiver relax and also is the only thing that can create a better future. And that's what we all want, don't we?
I remember one time when I figuratively grabbed my own throat and "choked" myself until I forced myself to forgive somebody who had done incredible harm to me.
That happened almost 25 years ago, and it still is causing me problems sometimes. But the day I forgave him, things turned around and I was finally able to rebuild my life - at least to a good degree. And that's what I desire for you and all Koreans. - Take it from a geezer!
Hello Germex,
Surely your advice is as good as the one I get from the bible and it is really a good lesson to me but the last thing still I want to tell you is that my anger agasint the history is not something that chokes me . . . it doesn't bother me at all... I just want to stand awakened in the passage of time in Korean history and, though not in the sense of mission, when it's needed, correct it as far as I'm confident and keep it from being intentionally distorted by those who wish to.
If it's only a history o f a man, I would be delighted by forgiving but the topic of my point, as a mordern history of Korea, is still going on, seriously affecting this Korean peninsula.
Even though I hate them and their ideology but I'm too well in living with them under the same sky... I'm keeping good brotherly relation with my sister and the husband who have completely opposite ideology; however, I take attention to the fact that the very party, which had taken advantage of the old cold war situtation, seized the power in ten years and the same old history just began to roll... maybe this is why I was more serious than you.
It's good to be positive but as to the present situation of this peninsula I'm not much positive and we better watch more carefully.
HC
What you are saying about the problems on your peninsula might be true (and I'm saying "might" because I'm not informed). Furthermore, I like your practical way of looking at these problems But please make sure that emotions won't cloud your criteria.
In the beginning you sounded very aggressive, and that made me "nervous". Of course I have nothing to lose or gain in this affair, but I think it's better for all humanity to be surrounded by level-headed people who can forget about the past if this serves a good purpose. And living in peace is a good purpose. So what I would like to see is everybody understanding, accepting and carrying out this philosophy.
Quoting from [germex]:In the beginning you sounded very aggressive, and that made me "nervous". Of course I have nothing to lose or gain in this affair, but I think it's better for all humanity to be surrounded by level-headed people who can forget about the past if this serves a good purpose. And living in peace is a good purpose. So what I would like to see is everybody understanding, accepting and carrying out this philosophy.
I'm sad as we are going back to the begining point of this controversy... ![[em2]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_laugh.gif){kind=icon}
but I think it's now ok as we have understood each other. Actually there's nothing not to forgive or forget but at least let's not forget the past of the politicians so that we can cast a right vote for a right man next time; otherwise, you will be cheated today and tomorrow as well by the guy who cheated you yesterday.
Good day!
HC
Quoting from [hcchoi]:We need to find the cause of the Korean history of disunion from the traitorous conservative party that betrayed their mother country, Korea, through the Japanese colonial era and those Japanese doggies had taken advantage of the situational opportunity under the US military government right after the emancipation from the colony. No sooner had Japan perished from the two bombs they converted to liberal side and under the protection of the US military they free rode on the major political powers to establish the independent government in the south… and with no time for the patriotic politicians and people to find right time for sorting out those betrayers in the society they carried out a coup with then army colonel Mr. Park, who had been such a patriotic doggy of Japan during the colonial age, and seized the political power then after. Since then for that long time, maybe more than 40 years and now they’ve taken back the lost power in ten years, they perfectly took the power and capital, which is so concrete and sound and thanks to their collective selfishness that their obtained right had not been hurt so much during the last ten years while progressive party had the control. You know during the last ten years there have been lots of progress in the south-north relationship, which showed possibility enough that the two Korea could be reunited if without the foreign powers around that have interests in this Korean peninsular, I won’t say US and Japan are the major two, and also without the self-styled conservative party that continually interrupted every policy to improve the south-north relationship.
In this viewpoint, the main cause of the split and not being able to be reunified lies more in the south party for their disunion between the self-styled conservative and the progressive or liberal party, than anything else. To be reunified, how to unite the split south is the first to solve; however, can the south people be mixed into the descendants or followers of the betrayers in the colonial era so that the south could possibly accomplish reunification by force? Or, though it might be too late and there’s no practical way seemingly, should we wait till we can destroy the betrayers and the followers? How can we correct this wrong history?
HC
after reading the article, i know there was a very sad history, i sincerely wish two korea to reunion.
Quoting from [hcchoi]:
I'm sad as we are going back to the begining point of this controversy...
Thank you for your straight forward assessment of the situation. I agree with you, that the situation in Korea is deeply rooted in the history of this country which has been in turmoil for the last century.
It was the baby-boom generation of the 50' s, who saw the nation under the colonial rule of another Asian country, and the three years of civil war which led to the deaths of millions of its inhabitants.
To forgive is much easier than to forget what happened, because of the scars left on the victims of those who served in the ROK army and the people who were caught in the cross-fires.
For them to forget, it would be to make the same mistakes again in the future, as we all learn from our mistakes and will to ourself not to repeat them again by learning from our past. History is a good lesson for us to make sure it does not repeat by itself.
To conclude, the reunion of this great nation of East Asia will only be possible when all the animousity and suspicions are removed, and trust must be in the center of the reason to reunite into a stronger and towards greater prosperity. Which will have to take another generation, say 80 years.
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