But I think our friend germex has a super dislike for all types of plastic material. cos" plastic is dangerous." . Yeh. Some Plastic will leach bisphenol and contaminate our food and drinking water if we put them under heat. But not all Plastic contains bisphenol. I consult my researchers, and they told me these.

"Bisphenol A (BPA) is a building block for polycarbonate (PC), a rigid clear plastic commonly used for baby bottles, reusable water bottles and other applications. It is NOT found in polyethylene terepthalate (PET), commonly used for single-use water and soda bottles among other bottles, nor is it found in high-density polyethylene (HDPE)."

Taken from http://www.alphap.com/company/plastic_safety.html

Please note FRC is made solely from HDPE and Rice Husk.

Taken from http://www.healthobservatory.org/library.cfm?refid=77083

For your food, use only HDPE, PETE, LDPE, PP. all the rest contains harmful substances.

As for embedded energy:

The UK Code for Sustainable Homes and USA LEED Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design are standards in which the embodied energy of a product or material is rated, along with other factors, to assess a building's environmental impact. Embodied energy is a new concept for which scientists have not yet agreed absolute universal values because there are many variables to take into account, but most agree that products can be compared to each other to see which has more and which has less embodied energy.   

Well, Great Job... GrandPa Germex,.  Betw. it is until you mention abt this then I take a careful look into it. 

Betw. Wood Plastic Composite is around in the market for the last 50 years. and selling in so many continent, just that they are non recycleable till date. But my material simply add recyclability, and load bearing feature to WPC. Not a wonder product like what Grandpa Germex has mentioned, but it is an alternative to reduce chopping of trees.

The next venture that I am exploring is using grass as building material.. that is of great pontential...

Chop less trees and plant more trees. leave the forest for our future generation.

 

Quoting from [germex]:

To begin with, I mentioned FERROCEMENT, but you constantly make reference to timber! Does this imply that you would look bad if you made this comparison?

I also asked you about the embedded energy you would need to collect, store, grind, inject, etc. your stuff. Besides, what about emissions caused in the generation of this energy, plus the plastic itself?

And I could go on ranting for hours, but I guess you get the idea why I'm not impressed at all. Besides, I still believe that your blog is in reality a commercial website. Nice try though!

If the plastic already exists and it is going to be recycled any way... What difference does it make if it is made into this stuff or other bottles, the energy and crap is already going to be there... why not make this stuff and save a tree.

I find it VERY interesting and will be looking into it further.

Quoting from [francis teo]:


three Cheers. For Germex to be objective.



betw. as in this forum indicated. no selling. and what I did say in my introduction is true.


Cos I found the product and build my house, then decide to promote it.


No guesswork, No fooling.


Cos if pple want to find more information they simply just go to my website. which is not even listed in alibaba.

You posted it here in the forum, and that is a trade lead that should be deleted by the mod.

Tricky and twisted as ever!

Quoting from [francis teo]:

But I think our friend germex has a super dislike for all types of plastic material. cos" plastic is dangerous." . Yeh. Some Plastic will leach bisphenol and contaminate our food and drinking water if we put them under heat. But not all Plastic contains bisphenol. I consult my researchers, and they told me these.

"Bisphenol A (BPA) is a building block for polycarbonate (PC), a rigid clear plastic commonly used for baby bottles, reusable water bottles and other applications. It is NOT found in polyethylene terepthalate (PET), commonly used for single-use water and soda bottles among other bottles, nor is it found in high-density polyethylene (HDPE)."

Taken from http://www.alphap.com/company/plastic_safety.html

Please note FRC is made solely from HDPE and Rice Husk.

Taken from http://www.healthobservatory.org/library.cfm?refid=77083

For your food, use only HDPE, PETE, LDPE, PP. all the rest contains harmful substances.

As for embedded energy:

The UK Code for Sustainable Homes and USA LEED Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design are standards in which the embodied energy of a product or material is rated, along with other factors, to assess a building's environmental impact. Embodied energy is a new concept for which scientists have not yet agreed absolute universal values because there are many variables to take into account, but most agree that products can be compared to each other to see which has more and which has less embodied energy.   

Well, Great Job... GrandPa Germex,.  Betw. it is until you mention abt this then I take a careful look into it. 

Betw. Wood Plastic Composite is around in the market for the last 50 years. and selling in so many continent, just that they are non recycleable till date. But my material simply add recyclability, and load bearing feature to WPC. Not a wonder product like what Grandpa Germex has mentioned, but it is an alternative to reduce chopping of trees.

The next venture that I am exploring is using grass as building material.. that is of great pontential...

Chop less trees and plant more trees. leave the forest for our future generation.

It doesn't surrpise me by now that you are twisting facts to your convenience, showing your lack of honesty, just as you did when you posted your sales lead here in the forum, right in the first post.

Alfa bisphenol is just ONE OF MANY dangerous and unhealthy substances contained in plastics - there are many more. And I can't imagine anybody to say on his deathbed, "oh, good I'm not dying of alfa bisphenol, but of...". Though trying to distract from what is really important has been your policy from the beginning.

Then you underline the fact that scientists haven't agreed yet on certain values. What the heck is that supposed to mean? Similar to the above case, I can't imagine anybody to say, "oh, I thought that my body could take that much of poison, as the scientists didn't agree on a specific value". Who are you trying to fool with that kind of "information"?

And interestingly enough, you didn't lose a word over other "alternative" construction methods, like the ones I briefly mentioned. Do they make it too clear that your system is just a lot of hot air? All you are saying (though you don't really "say" anything, you just produce a lot of empty words) is nothing but smoke and mirrors, trying to distract from the unpleasant truth.

Your system is a liability, not a solution!

Quoting from [eric_the_red_2k5]:

Quoting from [germex]:

To begin with, I mentioned FERROCEMENT, but you constantly make reference to timber! Does this imply that you would look bad if you made this comparison?

I also asked you about the embedded energy you would need to collect, store, grind, inject, etc. your stuff. Besides, what about emissions caused in the generation of this energy, plus the plastic itself?

And I could go on ranting for hours, but I guess you get the idea why I'm not impressed at all. Besides, I still believe that your blog is in reality a commercial website. Nice try though!

If the plastic already exists and it is going to be recycled any way... What difference does it make if it is made into this stuff or other bottles, the energy and crap is already going to be there... why not make this stuff and save a tree.

I find it VERY interesting and will be looking into it further.

It's not the same having plants dealing with the outgassing (some are really good at that) as having your lungs and body in general do that. Besides, I find it more important to save my body than saving a tree. And if I don't cut it down, it will eventually die and fall down by itself.

Are you really that blind, or are you on Frank's payroll? The way this particular discussion has developed, no kind of dirty trick would surprise me anymore.

Personally as an environmentalist. I believe that it is always about the search of an alternative solution to the present solution, so as to curb the demand, and provide an cheaper alternative for the demand.



Why am I saying that.


Trees loss in South East Asia is a problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Currently I am looking and focus on the one interesting issues that happens in South East Asia.


1) Prices of timber rises up like crazy, and South East Asia countries has ban the chopping of timber or restrict the license of


cutting down of trees.



Timber industry is affected, and if we are talking abt countries beginning to realise environmental issue, I think that does not bring a effective soluton.


the government implement the ban, the executing officer accepts bribe, and allow smuggling of timber, and the timber trade continues at a much higher profit


the forest is still cut, .... by smuggleers. which include army officers. and the so called executing government officer.


Unless alternatives solutions are provided, then the ban of cutting trees is effective. An alternative cheap solutions to curb the demand for expensive timber has to be provided.  Else the pple in South East Asia will have to live by extremely high expensive building material.


Once the price of timber will go down, and smuggler will stop activity.

and by providing alternative timber, jobs are still created. those who are in the original lumber business can go to alternative timber industry.


Cos the business world is abt profit and loss. the higher risk the more profit.


In South East Asia, and Australia, most of the houses are build with wooden frame, than brickedup.... or simply using timber.


there are many solutions to a problem, but we have to take the best solutions that are available in the surrounding.


While Grandpa Germex still mad abt the whatever has been discussed. We see what the world wants.   Betw. Grandpa Germex is an expert in low cost housing and recycling material as well, whatever he says. though negetive, brings confidence in me to promote this further.   thanks for your input Grandpa Germex, cos you give me more knowledge.


Sincerely yours.

Francis.

Still trying to be sneaky and condescending? Well, it's up to you if you think that gets you anywhere good.

So you think that your system consisting of materials that convert your house into a gas chamber (will all the consequences to your health) combats government corruption regarding timber? You sure like to jump to conclusions!

And when it comes to the times a material can be recycled, what do you think how often you can recycle timber (converting it to compost to fertilize new trees) or adobe (just plain soil)? Also steel, aluminum, concrete, etc. can be recycled practically indefinitely, so your 20 meager times are nothing to brag about.

The only good thing about this is that it shows that you want to pull the wool over people's eyes. Frankly, I consider the way you are presenting your product a fraud, but also admit that I can't do much about it, given that you seem to live in Singapore. But I sure can raise * for as long as you try to deceive people here with empty words, trying to get their hard-earend money. And I'll do just that!

Quoting from [germex]:

Dont really understand your mentallity... being nice to you. You shout back saying I am condescending. Is that what you are? Grandfather germex.

Empty words are never being spoken. all are truth, yet someone staying in US like seems to live in their own world. seems like I am your public enemy now.

Being a gas chamber, I still dont see it. cos all the while pple has always being living with plastic and it is all around us. our packaging, our computers, our tables, our chairs. our decking,  why are you so particular abt using plastic material for housing construction.  Even I dont use it for housing construction, I can use the material for flooring or for furniture.   It is everywhere nowadays.

If you mention that all plastic contributes to giving out poisonous gas, then we should live in a world free of plastics... zero plastics.  and we campaign against the use of plastic.  That should be your Banner.  Before you setup that Banner...

Please think of an alternative to replace plastic.   which has become tooo convenient for humankind, and also like what I mention in the previous post.


There is always the yin and yang of all things.  You remove something from the economic, you need to replace it with another, to make up for the loss of jobs, loss of industry....

Currently I am campaigning for the replacement of the use of timber. cos plastic wood is the most readily available technology, and who knows in the future what is available.  but at the present moment, I will promote plastic wood. as it adhere to my campaign motive of replacing timber.


Be sensible and be objective.

Interesting that you, the deceiver, are asking me to be objective! If you want to be objective, search for the analysises that have been done regarding the composition of the air in a modern house. If you were objective, you would admit that a modern house is a gas chamber - and yours even more so!

And being that for some reason you brought the US into play (though I can't see the connection - going astray again?), find out why some vendors of carpets and rugs have special warehouses to air them (on demand). Could that have to do with outgassing and people being aware of that?

Furthermore, when have you been polite? You started right off with a deception and never apologized for that (and you didn't delete it either). Is that a sign of politeness?

You never poperly informed yourself about this subject and clearly show your lack of knowledge, yet want to discuss this subject. You are dishonest in the way you "answer" to my objections and try to get around the most damning points, etc. So where is your politeness? In your empty words?

Etc., etc., etc...

Quoting from [francis teo]:

Quoting from [germex]:

Dont really understand your mentallity... being nice to you. You shout back saying I am condescending. Is that what you are? Grandfather germex.

Empty words are never being spoken. all are truth, yet someone staying in US like seems to live in their own world. seems like I am your public enemy now.

Being a gas chamber, I still dont see it. cos all the while pple has always being living with plastic and it is all around us. our packaging, our computers, our tables, our chairs. our decking,  why are you so particular abt using plastic material for housing construction.  Even I dont use it for housing construction, I can use the material for flooring or for furniture.   It is everywhere nowadays.

If you mention that all plastic contributes to giving out poisonous gas, then we should live in a world free of plastics... zero plastics.  and we campaign against the use of plastic.  That should be your Banner.  Before you setup that Banner...



Please think of an alternative to replace plastic.   which has become tooo convenient for humankind, and also like what I mention in the previous post.




There is always the yin and yang of all things.  You remove something from the economic, you need to replace it with another, to make up for the loss of jobs, loss of industry....



Currently I am campaigning for the replacement of the use of timber. cos plastic wood is the most readily available technology, and who knows in the future what is available.  but at the present moment, I will promote plastic wood. as it adhere to my campaign motive of replacing timber.




Be sensible and be objective.

Respected to Francis Teo,

I'm very appreciate for u'r product francis teo they're very interesting  - and u also campaigning for the replacement of the use of timber..sounds it's solution for u'r campaigne.

But i agree with grandpa's opinion that currently u're campaigning for the replacement of the use of timber. but u'r products may cos' a main problem issue for our world. isn't it grandpa???

GLOBAL WARMING ISSUE - The Main topic of the united nations forum 2007 at Denpasar, bali. 

I think you must analys again the effect of u'r product ; ex : regarding a gas chamber 

Cheers

SAVE OUR WORLD !!!!