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Electric motor keeps running and running... without additional energy input
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Have a look at this link! A clever Australian inventor has a motor that only needs to be "kick-started", and from then on it runs on its own.

Beware: this website loads very slowly (perhaps too many people wanting to watch it), the video sometimes shows up at the top, other times at the bottom, and in general you need a good dosage of patience to watch it. But it's interesting!

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=626&title=FREE_ELECTRICITY&ref=Bagattel

18 Jun 2008 13:14
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Quoting from [germex]:

Have a look at this link! A clever Australian inventor has a motor that only needs to be "kick-started", and from then on it runs on its own.

Beware: this website loads very slowly (perhaps too many people wanting to watch it), the video sometimes shows up at the top, other times at the bottom, and in general you need a good dosage of patience to watch it. But it's interesting!

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=626&title=FREE_ELECTRICITY&ref=Bagattel

Thanks germex,

I would not be too hesistent to have some reserved thinking. Did you notice the motor running without any load?


It works like a pendulum, with the force of gravity working for it in the force-free cycle, and generating just sufficient energy to move the rotor to the next pole, and the cycle repeats by itself with the aid of powerful magnets.


However, as an Electrical Engineer can tell you that magnetic energy weakens over time, and the eventual residue magnetism on the rotor will cause the repelling and attracting force to weaken, besides the friction of the bearings and the load. (during the time of the demonstration, there was no load attached.)


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27 Jun 2008 09:02
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Your observations make a lot of sense, and in fact, many people seem to be "cautiously interested" when they hear about this invention or similar ones.

It was perhaps two or three years ago when I heard about another invention like this, made by a Japanese musician. He got the ear of a company that nevertheless for the moment only wanted to use this invention to power small fans that will be used in homes. So evidently they also still have their doubts about long-term effects and behavior.

The main reason I posted this was to provide food for thought. According to a saying, "there are many ways to skin a cat", and most people don't even consider the possibility of looking at something again, scratching their head and saying to themselves, "that isn't right; it can be done much simpler". So my hope is that you and others do just that and come up with a great solution to a problem.

27 Jun 2008 09:39
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Quoting from [germex]:

Have a look at this link! A clever Australian inventor has a motor that only needs to be "kick-started", and from then on it runs on its own.

Beware: this website loads very slowly (perhaps too many people wanting to watch it), the video sometimes shows up at the top, other times at the bottom, and in general you need a good dosage of patience to watch it. But it's interesting!

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=626&title=FREE_ELECTRICITY&ref=Bagattel




Grandpa,


You have to know nothing is perpetual, meaning that It goes on and on without stopping, we all have to die, and so does the machine, and energy.


Even the most powerful source of energy will wear out one day, nuclear power will diminish, but it lasts longer than all other sources of energy.


One company which I worked in some years ago, supplies spare parts and equipment to the Water Reclaimation Plants of Singapore, actually a Sewage Treatment Plant, where all the shits of the area are pumped there and treated.


The sewage that we passed out contains organic and inorganic compound, and it is treated by a biogester, where about 90% of the gas produced is Methane. C H3  which is rich with Hydrogen and only one Carbon element.


This Methane gas is presently used by the processing plant to run a Dual Fuel Engine Generator of capacity like 500 to 800 KWatts, just enough for their local use, and cannot be tied to the Power Grid.


However, I see a great future for Methane as a producer of Hydrogen gas for the Fuel Cell or direct Hydrogen Gas Engines. This gas is available from many sources, such as landfills, garbage disposal plants, and the sewerage plants. And you mentioned about a bacteria which eats garbage and produces fuel oil is interesting to us when Crude Oil price hits the ceiling of above $150 a barrel.


We will see a compulsion to look for alternative source of energy. If God permits, I will discuss this matter in greater details.


Street


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01 Jul 2008 09:53
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You are right, there is nothing perpetual in the long run. It only appears that way in the moment.

Though there are some surrprising inventions in this regard. For example, there are magnetic motors that rely on repulsing magnetic fields. As you know, the shelf life for magnets is around 20 years. You also know how little energy is needed to polarize for example a neodymium magnet. Now, if you look at how much energy you can get out of such a motor, you will probably not be able to explain where this extra energy comes from.

And there are a few other examples like that! Would be great if we could understand the theory behing them.

01 Jul 2008 16:09
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Though there are some surrprising inventions in this regard. For example, there are magnetic motors that rely on repulsing magnetic fields. As you know, the shelf life for magnets is around 20 years. You also know how little energy is needed to polarize for example a neodymium magnet. Now, if you look at how much energy you can get out of such a motor, you will probably not be able to explain where this extra energy comes from.
Grandpa,


AT 63, I bet you have seen 3 generations of change in the Engineering fields as well as in all other aspects of our lives, for example discussing in this forum with you in Mexico from here, in Singapore at the opposite side of the Globe, which would take 48 hours to travel by jet.


I am also around your age, from the age of the slip-ring motor to the combination starters for squirrel caged motors of high tension 66kv operation to the solid-state starters or soft starters, and now the Inverter power supply.

Most of the credit go to the Electronic innovations, the introduction of components to handle high capacity voltage and current at minimum loss and at very high speed. The crux of the innovation is in the ability to convert AC current into DC and then back to a controlled AC current with minimum loss of iron or copper loss and heat dissipation. A transformerless converter was invented, with solid state element that chops up the voltage amplitudes into tiny bits in fractions of time, and reassemble them to the frequency for control.


Great of you to mention neodymium magnet,  shows your immense knowlege, going into the field of super-conductivity. About a decade, maybe two decades ago, the News headlines were hot with the discovery of superconductivity. I remembered a picture of a magnet floating in liquid Helium, demonstrating the enormous potential to harness this power. Imagine that this can be the answer to all the woes of the electro-mechanical motors running with absolute zero friction if we have a floating shaft over the bearings. That is how the bullet train works on magnetic levitation, a few millimeter above the rails is all it takes to free itself from the contact and friction.


There was a surge of reports from Research Institutions all over the world, and Patents files were flooded with new discovery of higher temperature super conductivity, instead of liquid helium. The ultimate goal is to achieve super-conductivity at ambient temperature, and then we can built the flying saucer, working on the principle of occupying the space in the Gravitational Maps. The Earth is a magnet, with the North and South Poles, and the longitudes and latitudes are the cross lines to a Navigational position in the map.


Street Smart



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01 Jul 2008 20:10
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Hi Street! Good to know I'm not the only "old fart" around here! [em3] Though I bet I'm still a little older than you. - And by the way, there are already superconductors that work at the temperature of liquid nitrogen, so they are getting closer to their goal (room temperature).

The reason I mentioned neodymium wasn't superconductivity. It was about the availability of cheap but powerful magnets. Imagine you could make a magnet LOOK LIKE being unipolar (only that, because it can't really be unipolar). That would open the doors to continuous rejection (or attraction) in a circular fashion - a motor!

That's exactly what some people already have done, and they are working on perfectioning their invention. Of course a neodymium magnet has a shelf life of only 20 years, but can you imagine how much energy it could produce in that time? After that it would only have to be "recharged", and it would work like new.

The energy needed to recharge vs. the energy produced by such a motor is extremely small, so you could perceivably create a perpetuum mobile (attaching a generator to the motor, to charge magnets) - something oil companies hate to hear. And that's why you can't patent these motors. But without a patent your motor is commercially "not interesting"...

01 Jul 2008 20:33
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The reason I mentioned neodymium wasn't superconductivity. It was about the availability of cheap but powerful magnets. Imagine you could make a magnet LOOK LIKE being unipolar (only that, because it can't really be unipolar). That would open the doors to continuous rejection (or attraction) in a circular fashion - a motor!

That's exactly what some people already have done, and they are working on perfectioning their invention. Of course a neodymium magnet has a shelf life of only 20 years, but can you imagine how much energy it could produce in that time? After that it would only have to be "recharged", and it would work like new.

The energy needed to recharge vs. the energy produced by such a motor is extremely small, so you could perceivably create a perpetuum mobile (attaching a generator to the motor, to charge magnets) - something oil companies hate to hear. And that's why you can't patent these motors. But without a patent your motor is commercially "not interesting"...



Grandpa, my peer.



Superconductivity and super magnetic field is synonymous. An electrical current creates a magnetic field, and with absolute zero resistance, in the superconductive state, the magnetic field is maximised. The important thing to look at is the torque or the energy delivered by these self propelled motor. As in common knowledge, the bigger the motor, the greater will be the starting torque from zero velocity to its full kinetic energy level. Motors are not having clutch system, therefore the load is not isolated during the starting stage. It requires high starting current, which the demonstrator used a starting voltage supply, a battery, but still without load.


You are right about patent protection, but it is all chicken and egg, and more to that, because you would never know if you hit paydirt or the gold mine until it has been proven, tested and prototype built and you manage to convince Venture Capitalists to put in the Seed Money. Then you have the financial resources to apply for patent rights to cover not only your home country, but to EU, Asia and East Asia, which itself may cost a bomb.


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02 Jul 2008 00:58
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Technically you might be right, but you changed the focus. My point is that I'm happy to see that there are inventions that might lead to cheap, almost pollution-free energy.

02 Jul 2008 09:22
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