Admin this is a direct question for you.

Considering the behavior of a certain moderator toward me in recent weeks I would like to know whether moderators are above the rules of the forum?

Here are some examples of his posts and the concerns that I have with what he writes:

He writes: ***? and HTF do you expect a retailer to buy a 1,000 phone MOQ of just one model for $100k as you advise? and Mate, I think you are getting bogged down in your own BS. - (***is short for ‘what the ***’, and HTF is short for ‘how the ***’, BS is short for ‘***’.)

Alibaba Rule: Don't swear.

He writes: I don't expect that persons with no experience in dropshipping such as your good self to know that. - (Astatement that is factually incorrect and issolely aimed to being personally offensive.

Alibaba Rules: Do be civilized and considerate. Don't get personal. A good general rule to follow is, "criticize ideas, not people". Don't post personal slurs or offensive comments.

He writes: ...I had every right to rip your head completely off for implying that my company's dropship customers probably go away disappointed - (Which if he took the time to read my post he would realize was not what I was suggesting but even if it were is no excuse for threatening physical harm to other users.)

Alibaba Rules: Do be sure to read what the other person is actually saying and not what you think they may be saying. Don't get personal. A good general rule to follow is, "criticize ideas, not people". And a rule that does not currently exist but perhaps should – Do not threaten other users of the forum.

He writes: Egernia, that's dishonest manipulation…..Your manipulation raises obvious questions about whether your mind is dysfunctional. Or, more to the point, why is your mind dysfunctional?....Your incessant prancing around these forums shows no values of kindness and respect to anybody, evidencing that you are suffering from an obsessive-compulsive disorder bought on by an inferiority complex striving for superiority…..Your OCD is a mental illness….Your never ending sermons might be half tolerable if you knew international trade. You don't. Your knowledge is near limited to only what you have learned in these forums during the past six months….Your exaggerated superiority, aggressive behaviour, trashing of people and toxic vibes - all symptoms of an inferiority complex... - (Surely there is no place for this sort of comment on the alibaba platform. I further question whether there is a place for the author of this post on this forum especially considering that he is a moderator and therefore a representative of the alibaba website. The fact that it istotally untrue makes itlibel and that is something that the poster himself and alibaba can legally be held accountable for.)

Alibaba Rules: The above breaks just about every rule of the forum as well as rules of common decency!!

He writes: These ethics of proper disclosure must be maintained. Nothing is more fundamental to good business ethics than proper disclosure of potential conflict of interest before offering to give private advice via TM. Perhaps you do give free advice on TM and perchance have not yet profited from it but the issue here is disclosure of interest. - (This moderator continues to claim incorrectly that I am using TM to attract business even though I have pointed out that this assumption is incorrect and even though there is no proof to support the claim.)

Alibaba Rules: Don't make slanderous statements or anything else that might violate someone's privacy.

He writes: If you are a paid sourcing agent as is stated on your website, you should merely mention such fact in your signature line.. - (Which is a clear incitement to breaking the rules of the forum. So his very basis for suggesting that I am unethical is actually based upon the premise that I am respecting the rules of this forum.)

Alibaba Rules: Don't post contact details such as phone numbers, physical address details, email addresses or any other type of contact details like website addresses, Instant Messenger IDs etc. Don't post any type of contact information in your signatures. Don't post trade leads in your posts, replies and personal articles. User content cannot be or otherwise resemble our selling leads, buying leads, product catalog, company profile services. Succinctly, no buying and selling information is allowed on the discussion boards.

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I know that this moderator is a long time and valuable contributor to this forum. This is why I have tried to deal with him somewhat respectfully by suggesting that we just agree to disagree and keep away from each other on the forum. He has chosen to ignore this suggestion and continues to stalk and insult me and break the rules in the process.

What really got me to making this comment here though is the fact that this behavior is now affecting other users of the forum as is evidenced by the comment by the individual on page 2 of this thread where the person appeals to our fellow moderator Foow to do something about the bickering between two other moderators...

http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/300060/Drop_Ship_Supplier__what_is_the_meaning_/2.htm?va=0

So admin what will be done about this situation?

Dear Admin,

                        I am with Egernia i.e. Simon totally in this issue.One moderator(no one in particular including me) cannot impose his superiority over the other.Everyone is equal and has equal rights.He/she has no whatsoever right to insult his co-moderator.

Thanks and Best Regards,

R.C.Sukhtankar

Replying to [Egernia]:


There is no point pleading for the rules as they are not being followed from the top.


Also, since both of you are learned moderators so I strongly feel that the matter should be amicably solved behind the forums.


 

Quoting from [essar53]:

Dear Admin,

                        I am with Egernia i.e. Simon totally in this issue.One moderator(no one in particular including me) cannot impose his superiority over the other.Everyone is equal and has equal rights.He/she has no whatsoever right to insult his co-moderator.

Thanks and Best Regards,

R.C.Sukhtankar

Dont worry, I have a trustp *, I will make sure that All the MODS will behave themselves base on the Alibaba rules. Rules are Rules.

Sometimes I may violate the rules, anybody can react to my post anytime.

Since I am being brought into this discussion...

I have not been paying a lot of attention to the forums for a couple of weeks. If you don;t like that then your problem. I have a business to run and I am not taking time away from my business to referee a spat between 2 people on the boards.

For starters, I DONT have Mod privs in the "ask an expert" forum so I am not sure why it is me being asked to fix it.

Simon.... Some of your early statements in the post your reference ARE incorrect. Whether intentionally or mistyped or just thru lack of knowledge of dropshipping I neither know nor care...... I am a dropshipper for a few small custmers inside the USA.... i don;t usually dropship but the few people I do it for are not very rich and are trying to start small businesses for themselves so  made a few exceptions... I also am not exactly happy with what you said, but I put that down to lack of knowledge or bad typing perhaps.

Yes Aussie gets a little hot under the colalr some days and I have persoanlly spoken with him as I consider him a friend.....

A lot of the reason why some of the more veteran Mods (and i include my elf as probably the newest of the "vet" mods... IS because the way the forums were managed back then was MUCH better than it is now.... It is very annoying to have some poor kid at Alibaba being tld she/he has to triple the size of the forums, with no actual knowledge of the best ways this should be done.... Its a corporate decision that none of us can change.

For over 2 years some of us have been doing our best to "steer" alibaba to making the forums better and better. but have failed to a large degree...... They aren;t listening and when things don;t work the way some genius thinks they will, all it does is create more problems...

So Aussie gets steamed pretty eaily because "back in the day" not a single moderator ever even THOUGHT of some of the things that now happen. I can site at least 5 instances of Moderators using their position to try to make deals..... That is entiely against the spirit of what the forums were for.. Being a Mod was designed to allow you to help people gain knowledg, not to be used a a selling tool !

Also Mods USED to have to go thru some reigorous questioning by the senior person in charge of the forums. that no longer applies and some mods seriously don;t have the right knowledge to be assigned to the forums they are.

IF a mod doesn;t know the answer, they shouldn;t post info they think"might" be correct..... They need to either not post or research the asnwer themselves.

So yeah, I have spoken to Aussie and asked him to settle down a bit, but its also up to others to post ACCURATE information rather than just guesswork as well. That is more important for a mod than for a normal member as Mod replies tend to be taken more seriously.

And echoing the comments made by Braham.

Since the Aliabba staff have no interest whatsoever in enforcing the rules they laid down then whats the point in me losing sleep over it?

And last, but not least, I may in fact be able to get some of this stuff fixed in the near future.

I prefer not to elaborate at this time as nothing is set as yet, but hopefully things might get better in a few weeks.

 

And oh yeah, last comment. For those who signed up to become Mods and are now pushing to be PAID for this.......... good riddance, we don;t need that in here and never have

I find it sad, and perhaps a tad ironic, that we have some moderators here that on one hand have been complaining about how the standards of the alibaba forums have been eroded by the inclusion of more new moderators; while on the other hand these very same moderators are failing to take a stand against a moderator who has really bought us all into disrepute with his nasty and uncalled for behavior of recent weeks that is clearly in contravention of the rules that we as moderators should be enforcing not excusing.

"Oh but he has a nasty temper and the information you posted was incorrect (in your opinion)" - so that some how validates throwing out the rule book and acting like a goon?!!

Can you imagine what sort of forum we would have here if everyone threw out the rulebook when someone else posted something they didnt agree with?

Admin - I would really like an answer from you on this.

Either the moderator in question behaved badly, broke the rules of the forum, and should have the posts removed and some repercussions in place; or

The moderator in question was totally within his rights to ignore the rules of the forum to further his personal agenda and as such the posts should stand and no further action be taken!

I wonder if these posts had been made by a non-moderator member whether that person would still be a member of the alibaba forums! I certainly dont know how in the world anyone could manage these forums if it is decided that it is okay to break the rules so long as you are angry!!

Quoting from [Egernia]:

I find it sad, or perhaps more a tad pathetic, that we have some moderators here that on one hand have been complaining about how the standards of the alibaba forums have been eroded by the inclusion of more new moderators; while on the other hand these very same moderators are failing to take a stand against a moderator who has really bought us all into disrepute with his nasty and uncalled for behavior of recent weeks that is clearly in contravention of the rules that we as moderators should be enforcing not excusing.

"Oh but he has a nasty temper and the information you posted was incorrect (in your opinion)" - so that some how validates throwing out the rule book and acting like a goon?!!

Can you imagine what sort of forum we would have here if everyone threw out the rulebook when someone else posted something they didnt agree with?

Admin - I would really like an answer from you on this.

Either the moderator in question behaved badly, broke the rules of the forum, and should have the posts removed and some repercussions in place; or

The moderator in question was totally within his rights to ignore the rules of the forum to further his personal agenda and as such the posts should stand and no further action be taken!

I wonder if these posts had been made by a non-moderator member whether that person would still be a member of the alibaba forums! I certainly dont know how in the world anyone could manage these forums if it is decided that it is okay to break the rules so long as you are angry!!

I find myself wondering.....what are all these issues about?

My best guess is----'ruling and controlling the forums at alibaba'!!

This may not be possible----

Adseaco I assume that the problem is one of 'turf'. When you have something just the way you like it and others come in and start making changes then that upsets the balance. I understand that but it does not make it right.

The way that some of these guys carry on you would think that alibaba is their own portal built with an investment of their money. I think some people are forgetting that we are all just guests moderators that give our time for free to help out around here. None of us are the kings of this domain!

So concerns with other members should be discussed with admin. If admin agrees then hopefully something will get done. If not then we have to accept that admin controls the board and we as individuals can decide what to do about that. How we decide to deal with that is what to my mind makes a good moderator!

Foow,

the following is what you had to say regarding drop shipping before:

"Dropshipping is where the supplier will ship 1 unit (or pehaps 2 or 3). It is a method of "buying" where the buyer only orders once he/she has already sold the product.... The main purpose of dropshipping (from the buyers view) is that they do NOT hold inventory.

Dropshipping has some serious downside however. Usually the pricing is not that good, you cannot be sure the supplier is not contacting your customers directly once they have the contact information, you can't be sure if the quality of the products is any good as you never see them, and its YOU the end user yells at if things are wring, not the supplier.

Generally speaking dropshipping is NOT worth the problems it causes. You are better off finding a reasonable wholesaler to purchase from instead and holding your own inventory so that you control the whole process."

Strangely Aussie only criticized Ergenia and not you regarding dropshipping and now you seem to Support Aussie with the whole issue.

Not much more to say now.