Quoting from [James 007]:

Quoting from [echa106]:



Well using the web cam is to start things off, but dont put 100% trust, because it is an online activity, therefore it is recommended for buyers to hire an agent for maximum security. hope this answers your question.

I wonder why your thinking is so small.



You mean those with Webcams are not scam and those without are? Another thing you said about Trust Pass and Gold Supplier, you mean they are all bullshit**?



You better check it out with Alibaba before starting to call everyone scam. That is why you are not TP holder, and you are just sour grapes.



Joy

There is many reason why I am not a TP holder, first of all it is too expensive for me (I am an University Student: studying business). Second since I have personally seen many scams going on, I don't see the point of being a TP holder (it will be a waste of money if I get ripped off and paying my TP fees). Just to rephrase, I did not call everyone a scamer, I believe out of 100% of alibaba members, 80- 90% are scammers. 10% are just hidden, by the mountain of scammers. I said I would hire an agent on top of that for maximum security, because the internet is not a very safe place to be (I am sure you heard of that before). Yes, I can safely say that majority of TP holders are not to be trusted (think about it, TP are just a disguise for scammers; it is their source of investment, so they have the capability of gaining more money from innocent people). And no, I did not mean that those with web cam are not scam, and those without are. That method is just the tip of the iceberg ( and didn't I say :" Don't put 100% trust". ( Please read it properly before commenting, you may lead to some people to the worng and unsafe path to doing business) Sure as a business person you have to take risk, but if a note which says "internet is not always a safe place", it is better not to 100% rely on the internet, hire a trusted agent to help you, if you are doing business online. Or go to the sourceful area yourself. Hope I make myself clear. and please Joy, look at the forums, before You call me a sour grapes. many scammers are TP holders, yet innocent people got scammed. Wish you a best of luck with your business.

      Another good idea is to make a Buletin Board and we should call it The Dishonest Forum. The Buyers should go to the Forum and check If the seller is listed in that forum or not. It will be a long list of cheaters and scammers to prenvent from future stealing.

Here is the first Dishonest Seller:

1-New Toprich Ltd.

Quoting from [Have_Been_Had]:

      Another good idea is to make a Buletin Board and we should call it The Dishonest Forum. The Buyers should go to the Forum and check If the seller is listed in that forum or not. It will be a long list of cheaters and scammers to prenvent from future stealing.

Here is the first Dishonest Seller:

1-New Toprich Ltd.

Maybe  we can ask  the supplier or the buyer to give the customer list in other country to verify.

 

 

FRAUD AND MISS- REPRESENTATION CHARGES AGAINST ANDREW YANG AND SELYNA YI FROM XI AN SHUNPENG TRADING COMPANY LIMITED ARE INCREASING. Any person or company who have been allegedly scammed by Andrew Yang and Selyna Yi from Xi an Shunpeng International Trading Company Limited can contact our lawyers in Beijing and the British Embassy and add their claims to the legal proceedings being prepared against Xi an Shunpeng Trading Company Limited and its representitives Andrew Yang and Selyna Yi. Any persons currently trading with Andrew Yang of Xi an Shunpeng Trading Company Limited or proposing to enter into any contract to purchease are advised to seek independant advise and information from their respective Embassy Department of Trade offices, Please be advised that Selyna Yi from Xi an Shunpeng Trading Company Limited has made a statemnt concerning the grave financial position of Xi an Shunpeng Trading Company Limited.

Quoting from [lively filly]:

Since the deed has been done and you are now wiser by hindsight. If you do know the Indian Company that ripped you off, We could from our end do some ground work and give you the contact number and also help you take recourse to legal remedyy that is possible.


Before giving your hard earned money to someone. Please do due diligence and there is ample material on alibaba tha tyou could go through and learn. There are a lot of signs and red flags you can pick up. But if you are in a hurry to close a seemingly good deal you would circumvent the system so have a system in place where you will follow a few ground rules that can be picked from the ebook available at this site. Inder no circumstance no matter what the incentive should you short cut the system.


Web cam is essential so to verifying the address through other suppliers on alibaba just courteously ask someone if they are aware fo the location given and also check the information through various sites.


Every company worth it name will have a website and you can get the details of the website from tracing domain owners. You can see how many times the site has been upgraded or updated through a back history website. If YOu are dealing with a free member and the claim is doing x million of business you should be wary i say very vary


Well we are always wiser at hindsight.


SAbby

Quoting from [echa106]:

Quoting from [James 007]:

You mean those with Webcams are not scam and those without are? Another thing you said about Trust Pass and Gold Supplier, you mean they are all bullshit**?

James this is a forum to help people and not show ego's. There was a query posted and the member made helpful suggestions.  Which are also listed in the trade guide of this very website.

Off course a person with a webcam can be a che.
One without will possibly always be one unless proven otherwise.

Why would a serious businessman not install one.

A person whoo wants to be anonymous will generallty avoid one
A confidence trickster will install one
 So .... why is your ranting and abuse proving


You better check it out with Alibaba before starting to call everyone scam. That is why you are not TP holder, and you are just sour grapes.

What does a TP prove to me nothing I am not a TP holder and do not intend to be.  YES the fact of the matter is that this is a free B2B Website and any johnny come lately is welcome and this does not prevent fraudsters from massing on to these website. Only he that has been cheated knows the heartburn and no one has the right to say anything otherwise..

PLEASE AVOID GETTING PERSONAL THIS YU CAN DO OVER YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS. ANY ABUSE WILL BE REPORTED TO AND A RECOMMENDATION TO BLACKLIST ABUSIVE MEMBERS MAYBE BE RESORTED TO.

S. D.

Wel I thought I was dowing bissness with a gold supplier, so did the banner say. Shenzhen Meidashun Toy Products Manufactury. The person MR Cody Yang. Was so frendley till the moment i send him my money. The verry next day he did not replay me anymore. And my merchandise will never arive , And my money lost.

We are located in a beautiful office building in New Jersey.

When we brought these computers, we did not think that webcam was important.

If a company ask for identification, we usually supply them with our passport, business license and small business certificate (Port Authority - New York - New Jersey).

In addition, our picture is posted on our display. Isn't this enough.

This is not a good idea ,because the idea punishes good companies who choose not to purchase that technology.

A better idea is to totally eliminate all free members.

Everyone should pay some type of fee to participate on this site.

This will "weed out all frauds" from legitimate companies truly interested in importing and exporting.

This is how I made the fraud back out 

MY MESSAGE



one last thing before I send in all the details



I want you to take pictures of the products and send them to my email royalfreakiness@gmail.com


2 pictures of each product


one of the box and one of the box opened with the main product shown


+ you must show your business card lying next to the product


+ you must write on a paper For Mr. Abdurrahman Mababaya and place it lying next to the product


you must do this for all of them


2 pics each, business card and my name on a paper next to the actual products and boxes



then take a picture of the box you are planning to ship the products in and another picture with ALL products lying next to the box and another picture of the products outside their boxes together.



If you fail to do so, I don' t see why you would seeing that you have such amazing hardware, then bye bye


expecting a reply as soon as possible


THE SCAM ARTIST



Hi,




Honestly,I appreciated you interested in our product. But,we are not a personal seller. We never done business like you requested before. I think you better purchase it from personal seller. Some of personal sellers want to do it that way. But,we can't sorry. My suggestion is you can buy it at amazon or ebay.



I do apologize for this inconvenience.




Thanks,



___________________________________



That was the last thing he said



after telling me all the details and saying yes they'll pay for customs taxes then at last telling me to give my full address and to pay by "wire transfer" only

Watch out this SCAMMER! " VERYGOOD INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Co., Ltd " I had order USB Flash Drives & MP3 Players from this company. Total almost USD 600 paid by Moneygram because they did not accept Paypal. After that, they sent me the wrong models of USB Flashdrives, poor quality and defect items. Moreover, wrong capacity and not my ordered color of MP3 Players. When I told Jessica (sales person) about the defect & wrong items, she told me that she will send me new ones next time when I have make a new order. Pretty bad, huh? I should Google before buying in Alibaba. I use keyword involving this company and then shocked !! http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/360493/Beware_of_This_Seller_p_r_7592_hotmail_com.htm?message=508994 http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/308592/Rant_Deleted.htm?message=385265 http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/351838/Xiamen_Forward_Trade_Co_Ltd_a_SCAM_COMPANY_BE_AWARE_.htm They will change company's name, email, sales person name to another and then do it all again and again. Check this company " Forward Electronic Technology Limited " ( http://www.hkforward.cn ) has Registered Address, Registration No.1255980 same as " VERYGOOD INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Co., Ltd " and also same company profile!! Here is the latest contact info of this SCAMMER! Company Name: Verygood International Development Co., Ltd. Legal Representative/Business Owner: Ms. Rui-juan Chen Registered Address: Hollywood Plaza,610 Nathan Road, Mongkok,Kowloon, Hongkong Address: 32F, B building, Huaqiang Garden, Futian District, Shenzhen, China Zip: 518033 Telephone: 86-755-81241196 Fax: 86-755-29321088 Website: http://www.hkucard.com.cn , http://ucard.en.alibaba.com Email: ucard_6228@hotmail.com ( Jessica ) Payment: Western Union , Moneygram info first name : JIANWEI last name : XUE city : Shenzhen province : Guangdong country : China zipcode : 518000