HOW MANY COUNTRIES still allow FORCED Child Labour?
Post 1 of 21
I would be interested to hear members' thoughts on which countries still allow child labour in this day and age.
We are living in the year 2007, and it is so very sad to think that this practice still goes on out there.
Do these people (who use child labour) have any morals at all?
We are living in the year 2007, and it is so very sad to think that this practice still goes on out there.
Do these people (who use child labour) have any morals at all?
18 Jan 2007 13:20
Post 2 of 21
Replying to [Thomas1976]:It not allowed in China , i know , but donot know other countries.![[em10]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_silly.gif)
02 Feb 2007 05:26
Post 3 of 21
Replying to [grigo]:No country in the world allows forced child labour.
Child Labour --- a fact file
Child Labour trends in India (2001)--1.26 cores (5-14 years)
unofficial estimates are much higher.
Female 46.26 %
Male--53.74 %
International Scenario (by region)
Asia & Pacific)--122.3 cr
Latin America & Caribbean--5.7 cr
Sub Saharan Africa--49.3 cr
Other Regions--13.4 cr
A 2003--survey by ILO estimates..246 million child labourers in the world ( aged 14 or less )
Child Labour --- a fact file
Child Labour trends in India (2001)--1.26 cores (5-14 years)
unofficial estimates are much higher.
Female 46.26 %
Male--53.74 %
International Scenario (by region)
Asia & Pacific)--122.3 cr
Latin America & Caribbean--5.7 cr
Sub Saharan Africa--49.3 cr
Other Regions--13.4 cr
A 2003--survey by ILO estimates..246 million child labourers in the world ( aged 14 or less )
03 Feb 2007 19:10
Post 4 of 21
I guess countries like USA don't have to worry about child labor problems...it's the developing and the poor nations which have this problem ...
05 Feb 2007 00:18
Post 5 of 21
Replying to [Kirk007]:It is not so.
the guy/gale working in a TV serial or movie also a labour.
the guy/gale working in a TV serial or movie also a labour.
05 Feb 2007 02:33
Post 6 of 21
Replying to [Deepali]:
Deepali,
You are incorrect.. Child actors in every country I know of are not FORCED in any way. The question is asking about FORCED labor
The rules for how long they can be on the set and what other things (like schooling and meals and "playtime") are included in the contract. These rules are not decided on by the child actor or his(her) parents. They are legal requirements written into law.
I do not know what the laws regarding this are in non-western countries but I would hazard a guess that they are probably very much the same.
Deepali,
You are incorrect.. Child actors in every country I know of are not FORCED in any way. The question is asking about FORCED labor
The rules for how long they can be on the set and what other things (like schooling and meals and "playtime") are included in the contract. These rules are not decided on by the child actor or his(her) parents. They are legal requirements written into law.
I do not know what the laws regarding this are in non-western countries but I would hazard a guess that they are probably very much the same.
06 Feb 2007 12:40
Post 7 of 21
Replying to [Foow]:
I don't like to get into any arguement but you are asking about child labor and NOT "FORCED" child labor which is 2 different things. Deepali is talking about child labor as definated by (a person who is below the legal age of work and legal age is from 16 to 18 according to each country definations).
You are talking about "Forced" child labour or in other words "child slaves" who have NO RIGHTS in their life. I think you can easily expand this to sex slaves as from Eastern Europe to those who complains abt the prisoners working in China for pennies.. True or not , I don't know but I do know that almost ALL countries have a ban on 'Forced child workers' and the definations between what you expect in US may differs from what is seem in Asia.
I have heard of people employing child workers (looks to me like a child worker as they looked so young but the kid told me he is 19) and that their pay is about 20% lower than that of a adult. In fact I know of people who is earning monies to help their younger brothers and sisters to get to school and she has to work extra hard to earn more monies home.. There is no government help for the poor so the first to suffer is always the poor.
We can all argue until kingdom comes and still this problem will still be around but if we try to understand why and work from there to try to solve the problem , then I am sure it will get better with time..
I don't like to get into any arguement but you are asking about child labor and NOT "FORCED" child labor which is 2 different things. Deepali is talking about child labor as definated by (a person who is below the legal age of work and legal age is from 16 to 18 according to each country definations).
You are talking about "Forced" child labour or in other words "child slaves" who have NO RIGHTS in their life. I think you can easily expand this to sex slaves as from Eastern Europe to those who complains abt the prisoners working in China for pennies.. True or not , I don't know but I do know that almost ALL countries have a ban on 'Forced child workers' and the definations between what you expect in US may differs from what is seem in Asia.
I have heard of people employing child workers (looks to me like a child worker as they looked so young but the kid told me he is 19) and that their pay is about 20% lower than that of a adult. In fact I know of people who is earning monies to help their younger brothers and sisters to get to school and she has to work extra hard to earn more monies home.. There is no government help for the poor so the first to suffer is always the poor.
We can all argue until kingdom comes and still this problem will still be around but if we try to understand why and work from there to try to solve the problem , then I am sure it will get better with time..
07 Feb 2007 19:00
Post 8 of 21
Replying to [kimtan]:
Kim,
The topic of this post is FORCED child labor. Since there is another topic about child labor it has gotten a bit mixed up I think.
I personally don't care if it is the US/ Australia/ India/ China or the South Pole we are talking about.
People are posting situations in here that are nothing to do with the topic.
A child who HAS to go out and work 50 hours a week to help put food on the table for the family is being exploited. That is a break down in the social structure of the country.
Saying that a situation like the above is the same as a child being an actor, who is pursuing a career is like comparing an apple to a buffalo: useless
If child actors in a country are MADE to do the work then that is wrong and people should boycott watching any program produced using that type of labor. I cannot belive that that is the situation though, I am sure there are strict rules on what is allowed for these child actors.
My point is that comparing WILLING children (even kids doing a paper route as was mentioned) is a completely different thing than a child being FORCED (by coersion or by neccessity) to work.
Kim,
The topic of this post is FORCED child labor. Since there is another topic about child labor it has gotten a bit mixed up I think.
I personally don't care if it is the US/ Australia/ India/ China or the South Pole we are talking about.
People are posting situations in here that are nothing to do with the topic.
A child who HAS to go out and work 50 hours a week to help put food on the table for the family is being exploited. That is a break down in the social structure of the country.
Saying that a situation like the above is the same as a child being an actor, who is pursuing a career is like comparing an apple to a buffalo: useless
If child actors in a country are MADE to do the work then that is wrong and people should boycott watching any program produced using that type of labor. I cannot belive that that is the situation though, I am sure there are strict rules on what is allowed for these child actors.
My point is that comparing WILLING children (even kids doing a paper route as was mentioned) is a completely different thing than a child being FORCED (by coersion or by neccessity) to work.
08 Feb 2007 11:26
Post 9 of 21
Replying to [grigo]:i think India has child labour problem, there are rules banning it , but child labour is still flourishing.
08 Feb 2007 23:24
Post 10 of 21
Replying to [Foow]:
Well , I would agree that there is a mix up between the 2 topics which is why the arguements is continuing.
As for as I know - "Forced" child labour or any form of "FORCED LABOUR" is not allowed anywhere in the world and is illegal but child labour as in India which is one of the highest has its own problems in that they need to bring in extra income to support the family, From what I read - some blame the family , others blame proverty and so many other excuses. Perhaps if we all looked deeply into the problems - we find that although the root cause is proverty , the social structure of the society is also partly to be blamed. In India , I think that the child labour mostly comes from the lower caste of 'untouchables' and NOT from the Brahim (Sorry if the spelling is wrong) caste which is the upper caste.. The reason is that the upper caste believed that the parents MUST look after the kid and earn to support them whereas the lower caste does not have such a high social moral. (NOTE : This does not mean ALL lower caste have NO morals). Such systems is the may be the problems that India will have to solve themselves as they travel the world and try to find solutions to their own unique problems.
In China , due to the 1 child policy - the child is King and Queen of the family and they are really spoilt rotten. Good or bad - this is one side of the equation with those having to work as a child to try to support the family can understand the values of hard work whereas these kids in China will think that the world rotates around them.
Taking those 2 extremes - I believed that within the social structure that we are in today (present time) - we can accept a child to work if they are not "FORCED" and my defination of "FORCED" is that the child may work to earn some monies to support the family but is not exploited - meaning that their income from the work must be very closed to that of an adult. BUT if the child is beaten for not earning money home - then I would put this as FORCED labour. I am sure many of you would have your own scenerios asking abt many different situations but my basic is if fear is involved from the child in earning the money - then force is being used and forced labour is then my way of enforcing the rule.
That stated - as Deepali stated about a child actor - would that be forced child labour - the answer is NO. Child labour - yes but with a lot of play , learning and also making money at a much earlier stage than most of us would ever get the chance plus the tons of dollars.
With the defination being clarified - I think you and Deepali are on the same boat as "Forced child labour" is unacceptable but child labor is ok within limits.
Have a nice weekend.
Well , I would agree that there is a mix up between the 2 topics which is why the arguements is continuing.
As for as I know - "Forced" child labour or any form of "FORCED LABOUR" is not allowed anywhere in the world and is illegal but child labour as in India which is one of the highest has its own problems in that they need to bring in extra income to support the family, From what I read - some blame the family , others blame proverty and so many other excuses. Perhaps if we all looked deeply into the problems - we find that although the root cause is proverty , the social structure of the society is also partly to be blamed. In India , I think that the child labour mostly comes from the lower caste of 'untouchables' and NOT from the Brahim (Sorry if the spelling is wrong) caste which is the upper caste.. The reason is that the upper caste believed that the parents MUST look after the kid and earn to support them whereas the lower caste does not have such a high social moral. (NOTE : This does not mean ALL lower caste have NO morals). Such systems is the may be the problems that India will have to solve themselves as they travel the world and try to find solutions to their own unique problems.
In China , due to the 1 child policy - the child is King and Queen of the family and they are really spoilt rotten. Good or bad - this is one side of the equation with those having to work as a child to try to support the family can understand the values of hard work whereas these kids in China will think that the world rotates around them.
Taking those 2 extremes - I believed that within the social structure that we are in today (present time) - we can accept a child to work if they are not "FORCED" and my defination of "FORCED" is that the child may work to earn some monies to support the family but is not exploited - meaning that their income from the work must be very closed to that of an adult. BUT if the child is beaten for not earning money home - then I would put this as FORCED labour. I am sure many of you would have your own scenerios asking abt many different situations but my basic is if fear is involved from the child in earning the money - then force is being used and forced labour is then my way of enforcing the rule.
That stated - as Deepali stated about a child actor - would that be forced child labour - the answer is NO. Child labour - yes but with a lot of play , learning and also making money at a much earlier stage than most of us would ever get the chance plus the tons of dollars.
With the defination being clarified - I think you and Deepali are on the same boat as "Forced child labour" is unacceptable but child labor is ok within limits.
Have a nice weekend.
10 Feb 2007 09:21
Post 11 of 21
Replying to [grigo]:
I'm not so concerned in children's labour. Much more in "why" they must work.
Children is always a wealth for every nation, people or community. If you begin to us them too early or when unnecessary, you waste your (and their) future perspectives. It is much more than a crime, it is a mistake.
Sometimes the choice is between work or starvation. This means that there is no choice.
I'm one of the lucky children that pastured the geese, in my youth. Not a big work, indeed but it helped my family. ;o)))
I'm not so concerned in children's labour. Much more in "why" they must work.
Children is always a wealth for every nation, people or community. If you begin to us them too early or when unnecessary, you waste your (and their) future perspectives. It is much more than a crime, it is a mistake.
Sometimes the choice is between work or starvation. This means that there is no choice.
I'm one of the lucky children that pastured the geese, in my youth. Not a big work, indeed but it helped my family. ;o)))
15 Feb 2007 11:49