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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1. Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number


i contacted one seller on alibaba from india

tenetent@yahoo.com

this company is a fraud it is so be careful .Sunil Chandra Das

seling ambergris  , his mobil no 0091-9474873827  compaany TeNET enterprise

in bengal india

Fraud Case Study 20 - Big Purchase Order Trap [Article]
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06 May 2008 08:40
Post 2 of 24
Fraud Case Study 21 - Big thief Qiang chen



Alibaba has done nothing against and only disguises and protect such people.


mode of operation, contacts MSN, and other companies in Fuzhou.


thief and scammer on alibaba.

name: qiang chen.


international thief and scammer, incluyed in 256 distint web page.

Big, thief ony word, thief in singapur, chile, inglaterra, usa, and other country.


www.rovosea.com

www.pidetrade.com


and other.


danger,
This man smells of sulphur.


qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

qiang chen

International Thief, Scammer


www.pidetrade.com

www.rovosea.com


bye

patricio cortes






06 May 2008 19:17
Post 3 of 24
Chinese also now gone like Nigerians or West Africans.



Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008. From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed. However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them.

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to wait for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number

06 May 2008 21:47
Post 4 of 24
fareasterntrading
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Overall Ranking MVP:67 Rank:67,770
Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number

07 May 2008 01:18
Post 5 of 24
fareasterntrading
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No Company Website yet
Overall Ranking MVP:67 Rank:67,770

Fraud in Alibaba is pervasive.

The scam as indicated by "Fraud case study #20" is a stupid and obvious one. However, many of us hae tried to avoid "free members" because they are nothing but scams. I wanted to order cigars" from England, it was a scam. However, I am in China building websites and I need honest suppliers. What they do is hide behind the "Gold" supplier status (label) via some arrangement.  Say you sell mobile phones, what they do is send you an original and tell you they sell original but they end up sending your customers fakes. I wanted to do my due diligince, after all I am a legitimate company and NOT ONE of the companies wanted me to come and visit. One from Hong Kong/Shenzhen had the audacity to ask who I am, then to say they wanted to call me first, why did i want to come.  Also, ALL of the companies want money first and they are not interested in other forms of payment (because they are frauds),  Accepting PayPal as a quick reliable method of pay would make sense but NO, they want T/T or Western Union. If I sell 500 phones, this means I have to go to the bank etc., 500 times plus the costs. No, not good. Cheating/fraud they think its a far way to do business. My assistant is chinese so conversing with the chinese is no problem but the solutions mentioned in this article fit under the "Da" heading as a no-brainer. The only solution lies with the police themseles. In America  ebay (and I am no eBay fan) polices the system very well utilizing a 3rd party to verify vendors, not here. Also, if there is some scam, it consitutes fraud or wire fraud and that can get the FBI inolved. Alibaba, e-mailed me saying it is not there responsibility. IT'S THEIR WEBSITE AND THEY ARE REPRESENTING THESE VENDORS on their site, of course they are liable and in other countries that would almost certainly translate into lawsuits.  There is no incentive to be honest how can any "bad" happen to these guys, you stop buying, "so-what" they just keep moving on and these traders (trading companies) roll in the dough are praised as the noveau riche and buy expensie cars.

They only way is to slowly buy, and to slowly increase the orders.  Always request a meeting. If you are a serious buyer, go meet the supplier...see what they say.

07 May 2008 01:44
Post 6 of 24

Safe trading admin.

A person who lives in benin invited me to travel for africa to meet him face to face,He has fifteen million dollars to buy comodidtes...

Thanks alibaba.com to send me this email fraud,is good to work with you.

Robert Ferreira

 

I

 

Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number

07 May 2008 07:18
Post 7 of 24

I got cought by a suplyer from China. The only contact I got from him was the one bellow. I bought/ordered a tv-LCD (32" -LG) and the product never came. I would censirely warn you all about this facts which are commonly happening

My e-mail is (vinampeixoto@bol.com.br)- for further info if needed. Hope it works a bit to catch this person.

His E-mail and MSN is: E-mail: xingfujohn@hotmail.com

 

John Sell (cheaper) 380,00 usd (with freight paid) for 42” and 300,00 usd (freight paid) for 32” and 430,00 uds for 50”

 

Western Union:

 

first name: JianQing

 

last name:Zheng

 

Address:Chengxiang District ,putian Fujian China

 

city:  putian

 

postcode: 351100

 

Country: china

 

 



07 May 2008 07:54
Post 8 of 24
ncastro
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Overall Ranking MVP:62 Rank:77,998

Alibaba.com should have feedback just like ebay has, That way buyers would only buy from people with good reviews and sellers only sell to people with good reviews. I also had a bad experience from a beauty equipment company that did not send my order as I payed it. I payed for 5 machines and they only sent 4 machines. If you want to learn more you can email me to nicsilla@yahoo.com. Also they should accept paypal, not only wire transfer because that is too risky. The name of the company that did this is GUO Tong Beauty equipment. I was really dissapointed with this, but there is nothing I could do from here. I am not buying anymore.

 

07 May 2008 18:52
Post 9 of 24
z khan
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Overall Ranking MVP:6 Rank:1,818,212
Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number



Dear sir, samne happen to me , i order cng equipment to dutch co,  name GTC europe, and sand  T T  in his account, and then thay stop answering me, any wat thanks for the advise

thanks

zaman khan

07 May 2008 22:45
Post 10 of 24
Zarif562
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Overall Ranking MVP:54 Rank:104,732
Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number

The fraud usually comes from the seller not the buyer; the sellers need the money


in advance and there is not any grantee to execute his/her agreement correctly.

08 May 2008 08:19
Post 11 of 24
Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I was contacted by two people from a company in Henan, . They offered me a big purchase order and invited us for a face-to-face meeting to sign the sales contract. We met in in January, 2008.  From the first day, they asked me to pay high bills for KTV (Karaoke bars) and expensive gifts after contract signed.  However, they never paid their deposit; they delayed time; and asked for even more expensive presents. When we pressured them for a deposit payment, they ran away. There were a group of people who took part in this fraud scheme. They pretended to be the company president, financing manager, accounting manager, marketing manager and banker. However, they all ran away when were asked to take their pictures. Some people only use the Internet to attract victims to their city so they can prey on them. 

Case Analysis:

1.Serious buyers usually don’t place large orders the first time. Generally speaking, they will work with order from suppliers several times in order to build a mutually trustworthy relationship first; and also to make sure the supplier continuously has the capability and capacity to produce quality products.

2.  Scammers will send professional looking inquiries asking for product details, such as specifications, price, etc. This is only the first step of their plan to defraud you and is only designed to make initial contact with their victims. During the next step of their plan to defraud victims, they offer a big purchase order and invite victims to fly to their country to sign a sales contract and discuss business in detail. However, in their country, they will find an excuse to make you pay expenses, such as expensive gifts, dinner, or other entertainment expenses according to their “local tradition.” In reality, scammers receive financial rewards from restaurants when they order expensive items, such as wines or cigarettes.

3. If you encounter this situation, refuse their requests and leave them as soon as possible. You should also move to another hotel to avoid any possible threat to your property and security.

4. It is always essential to check the background information of your potential business partners. This can be done by searching the Internet or on Alibaba.com's forum. Conducting your own due diligence to avoid Internet Fraud is always important. Here are some tips to help verify a potential trade partner:

  • Ask detailed and direct questions. Genuine buyers will have the patience to   wait  for your reply, and will be knowledgeable about the product you are selling;
  • Check their phone and fax numbers are correct;
  • Ask for their business address as well as their email address;  
  • Check their website URL and their Host Registration;
  • Check with the Business Registrar in their country to confirm their business is real;
  • Check out their business profile and activity;
  • Contact the Chamber of Commerce, or the Embassy of the country and ask for the Commercial Department. Check out if this company is real, the Director's name and the name of the Purchaser or Procurement Officer and their phone number



Thanks who ever the author of this  article is, you are doing a great job putting some of us especially  people like myself who are beginers in the international business scenario.Thanks endlessly.

Taku

11 May 2008 13:16
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