After making my first T/T of US$1720,  to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings),  that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.

Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

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After making my first T/T of US$1720,  to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings),  that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

You sent cash to a scammer by the sounds of what you write. You will never see that money again.

I don't know what due dilligence you did but unfortunately not enough.

Better luck next time.

In hindsight, I should not have taken a chance with that Indonesian Company, but I feel that  alibaba.com should have a better system in place to minimise these arseholes from presenting themselves as legitimate traders.

I will still be doing the best I can to bring them to justice with whatever resources that I can use, ie. Indonesian Embassy, our local police, etc.

If that fails, I will see if there is a Debt collector over there; even if I only get some of the money back, I will not allow it to be so easy for those arseholes !Quoting from [concretecreations]:





After making my first T/T of US$1720, to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings), that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

I hear you.

Probably the best way to get back at them is to stalk them on the internet and keep posting their new contact details as a scammer each time they reinvent themselves. This should not be too difficult to do as most scammers change their names but not their contact details or product information. Just cut and paste into google every now and again and surface wherever they surface to spread the word about them.

Keep in contact with them yourself and let them know that if they return your money with reasonable interest that you will have no reason to stalk them any longer.

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Thanks, Egernia,

I will try and do what you suggest, but apart from me being a bit of a computer Dummy, these Indonesian scammers, I feel, are changing their products, their names and probably bank account numbers, etc.

This is all new to me, I should have held off a bit until I had learnt and read a bit more.

I wasn't even aware that all these other people had been scammed until 25/4/08, the day after these arseholes had my money in their account and from their email I knew it was Checkmate !!




After making my first T/T of US$1720, to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings), that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

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After making my first T/T of US$1720,  to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings),  that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

Hello concretecreations,

I been reading this forum the whole day today. As an Indonesian businessman and trying to establish my own company over the internet. However I am pretty much ashamed with the acts of others Indonesian persons such scammers to cheat foreign buyers and make the other Indonesian businessmen in bad reputations.

Perhaps I can share with the world to deal with Indonesian businessmen, to ensure the legit company informations. You, as one of the foreign buyers, should rather asked details information such as:

1. Registered company (registered company with CV or PT) documents: we call it "TDP, SIUP, NPWP (both company and owner's)";

2. Full Street address with the "RT and RW" numbers, then name "Kelurahan" and "Kecamatan" and also the area code and then the name of province.

3. The name of bank, if you make payment through TT, make sure the recipient account name is the same as you deal with. remember you must asked the both NPWP its company and individual. 

Hoping my little notes share with you and the rest of the world.

Regards - Teddy Alimudin - www.LimoLapan.com

Hi Teddy Alimudin,

thank you for your response to my posting on alibaba.

If I ever do buy from o/seas again, I will definitely look into things a lot better than what I did, instead of thinking that there was some protection from alibaba.

In the meantime the Indonesian Embassy and their Police have assisted me greatly so far and time will tell if they bring those fraudsters to justice and maybe ?, I'll get some money back.

Ray, - Concrete Creations



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After making my first T/T of US$1720, to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings), that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

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After making my first T/T of US$1720,  to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings),  that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.



Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??

hay buudy i am sorry to hear about your loss but you cant do anything about it as  i am a victim of fruad also i sent $4000 usd to a company to recive ipod touch 32gb they sent me a unknow name mp4 player with only 1gb memory in it and they will not  return my money  so i know how you feel just know that you will have to do alot of research on a company then make your perchase but start small orders first then go on to bigger ones i really do hope alibaba did have a better handle on the mother but they dont so we will have to work it out on our own better luck man,

 

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After making my first T/T of US$1720, to PT INDO WHEELCHAIR on 24/4/08, after what I thought had been due diligence (until later when I found these postings), that was the last I heard from them and I don't think that they even had the products that were advertised.


Can anyone advise as to how I can find these people and prosecute and/or get my money back ??




Hi Elladainc,

thanks for that, it's a pity the Indonesian Police couldn't at least make a few strategic phone calls for me and put the fear of the Indonesian justice system into these arseholes, instead of only going through the official system, the same as here in Australia,- that takes forever or the paper work just gets filed in the bottom drawer.

I phone the Indonesian Consulate every couple of weeks but they are still waiting for response from Indonesia.

As I have told alibaba, they have to change their system to make it harder or impossible for these fraudsters to con people.

good luck mate.