Many Party complaining of being scammed by Indonesian party, most looses their mony when they are asked to have T/T (telegraphic transfer). Ussually this this TT is asked for paying sample of order. or advance payment
Lacking in information of legitimacy of the company, make buyer looses money, even in many cases not only this matter also because buyer are greed to have such cheaper product.
Except for pricing matter, Here below tips which buyer can do for verifying company.
The formal legitimacy.
All company like in other country must have legitimacy from goverment. they must have all certificate :
1. Notaris Akta : this certificate issued by Notaris (legal lawyer) stateing that company was legalizes by law, the company will be then authentificated by Ministry of Justise of Indonesia. This certificate stamped by formal goverment and registered whit certain number. in case of smallest company with less than 5 million Idr Or 550 Usd in capital only need to have UD (Usaha Dagang) certificate, this issued by Local Departement of trade.
2. NPWP (Nomor Pendaftaran Wajib Pajak)
This is certificate of Tax Registered, every trade party from smallest to biggest one must have. Even not only trade office person who have big income must have this NPWP certificate.
3. SIUP (Surat Izin Usaha Perdagangan)
This certificate mean Certificate Of License for Trade office. Both party above must then registered to goverment body to registere their existan, on this certificate the party must have real office address, landline or post paid phone number, and personal who take responsible for the Company. This certificate was to prove real office address. this certificate issued by Department of Trade.
4. TDP (Tanda Daftar Perusahaan)
This certificate mean License of Legal Company. Both party above must then registered to goverment body to registere their company , on this certificate the party must have real Company address, landline or post paid phone number, and personal who take responsible for the Company. This certificate was to Onwership of Company. this certificate issued by Departement of Trade.
Th 4 Certificate MUST be hold by all legal company in Indonesia, Those who want to open trade office must own that document. Legal broker, Trade agent and/or Business office, every one who do not have that certificate could be consider as personal, or non legal company/trade or scammer.
Anyway, If those who claim to be manufacture there are any other legal certification, MUST have. Here below,
5. IUI (Izin Usaha Industri).
This certificate mean License of Legal Industry/Factory. All party above must then registered to goverment body to register their Industry or Factory or Manufactory, on this certificate the party must have real Factory/manufacture, and personal who take responsible for the Industry/factory/manufactory. This certificate was to acknowlage Ownership of Industry/Factory/Manufactory. this certificate issued by Departemen of Industry.
6. Certification of membership on field assosiation
This license issued by asosiation which the company produce same comodity, like in wooden industry they Issued license call BRIK (Badan Revitalisasi Industry Kayu). Authentificate by Departement of Industry.
7. Export License
in case of furniture those who claim as exportir MUST have certificate ETPIK (Ekportir Terdaftar Produk Industri Kehutanan). Issue by Direktorat Jendral Perdagangan LuarNegri. or Goverment Body which handle foreing Trade. they give registered number for every exportir.
For those who are in other business must have their such certificate.
8. Import License.
For those who claim as legal Impotir for certain comodity Must have certificate called Import License, this certificate is issued by Finacial, Custom and Tax Departeman. For certain comoditi, even only manufactory inport are permitted. But in other comodity general importir are allowed.
Note :
a. for legal trade agent or trade office may only have 4 certificate above, from 1 to 4 point. Those who can not show you that document mean illegal or Scammer.
b. But those who claim as Manufactory Must have 1 to 4 plus point 5. Then those who can not show you that document mean he is on point a, or cheater, or do not have factory.
c. For those who claim as Manufactory and exportir MUST have 1 to 5 plus point 6 and 7. Those who can not show you that document mean they are on point b or only manufacture not exportir
d. and for those who will import goods from outside Indonesia must have all 8 certificate. Those who can not show the document mean they are not importir only mufacture and exportir.
e. Those who have all 8 document mean a real big party and real party to trust.
But. how can verbally verify all those document? this question will be answer on next topic. or the link.

Replying to [seratjati]:

A real scammer show you all this 8 certificates and 20 more if you want !

If all customers would realize that the items who are mostly offered from scammers are Imported Brand items and that the low prices they are offered for, are not possible in an open world market, the Indonesian scammers should disappear quickly !

Wilhelm

Replying to [wilhelm]: Correct, But I will show you how to verify it document. I hate scammer very much, they ruin business, and that way we need to let everybody know how to avoid them instantly.

Replying to [seratjati]:

The problem is, that most of this certificates ( if not all ) are written in Indonesian language ! Who can read or translate this ?

So the better way should be to recognize that Imported Brands offered from Indonesia could not be cheaper than elsewhere, this will affect more than 90% of all deals that are questioned with Indonesian suppliers, here in the boards !

Of course the best way, but this is only practiable for bigger deals, is to use the help of International chambers of commerce ! That's the purpose they are established for !

Wilhelm

Replying to [wilhelm]:

Yes, SCAMMERS can fake documents easily.
But one thing they (until now) can't do, make personal bank account with the same name as in all certificates.

Actually it is quite simple :
1. Not buy branded products as you said
2. Not make payment to personal bank account (for other products). Especially when the companies have shown all certificates. What are all the documents for, when the companies don't even have company's bank account?

This is just for reference.

Replying to [rienimayasari]:

99,9% of all scams are belong to sample buyings !
Most of them should go by WU or a TT, nobody ask in this first stage for an company account !

Recognizing that this Brands are not avaliable, means there is no need for an money transfer, not to an company account, WU or private name !

On the other hand, I now about money transfers to Indonesia, using an Indonesian Bank Agent and here the money goes to his account, with a additive, receiver "XXX" (company name as stated in the negotiations before) !
When the payer makes the TT, he did not recognize that the money goes to the Agents account and then mostly in cash to the scammer !

Wilhelm

Replying to [wilhelm]: a minute I will show you that all document will end to english and will be authentify by affiliate of SGS, if you / Party in Indonesia do correct think. All I mean is I just to show you how to get deal with legal and honest party. which you can deal with.

Replying to [rienimayasari]: yes you are correct, every scammer can do fake the document, even they can fake my picture or yours.
But you can not open company account in abank if you do not have NPWP, SIUP, and Akta Notaris, For personal you need only your ID/KTP.
I agree with you that TT MUST NOT aplied to buy sample. and import brand must be more expensive here.

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Replying to [rienimayasari]: yes you are correct, every scammer can do fake the document, even they can fake my picture or yours.

But you can not open company account in abank if you do not have NPWP, SIUP, and Akta Notaris, For personal you need only your ID/KTP.

I agree with you that TT MUST NOT aplied to buy sample. and import brand must be more expensive here.

Hello Seratjati

I write to you because I don't know where else to turn to. My father has ordered and paid for some ATVs at a company in Indonesia called CV Panglatu Powersports, but since he paid he hasen't been able to contact the company. My father dosn't speek English so he is depending on help from others. The company is located at : JL. Gatot Soebroto, Jakarta Selatan 14875. They have a website www.palangtu.com How can we find out if this company has scamed my father? We have tried to contact the Indonesian Embassy in Copenhagen but so far they havn't been muuch of a help. I believe my fathers wish was to begin an import of these ATVs, but if it is a scam he of course will have to find another project. I hope you will be able to help us , and I thank you in advance. I can be contacted on my email address: selling@madsen.mail.dk Thank you

 

Quoting from [selling]:

Quoting from [seratjati]:



Replying to [rienimayasari]: yes you are correct, every scammer can do fake the document, even they can fake my picture or yours.


But you can not open company account in abank if you do not have NPWP, SIUP, and Akta Notaris, For personal you need only your ID/KTP.


I agree with you that TT MUST NOT aplied to buy sample. and import brand must be more expensive here.

Hello Seratjati

I write to you because I don't know where else to turn to. My father has ordered and paid for some ATVs at a company in Indonesia called CV Panglatu Powersports, but since he paid he hasen't been able to contact the company. My father dosn't speek English so he is depending on help from others. The company is located at : JL. Gatot Soebroto, Jakarta Selatan 14875. They have a website www.palangtu.com How can we find out if this company has scamed my father? We have tried to contact the Indonesian Embassy in Copenhagen but so far they havn't been muuch of a help. I believe my fathers wish was to begin an import of these ATVs, but if it is a scam he of course will have to find another project. I hope you will be able to help us , and I thank you in advance. I can be contacted on my email address: selling@madsen.mail.dk Thank you

Dear Friend,


I am sorry to reply late, but unfortunetly your father has been scamed, the address is not exist not real company. to make clear i send you email directly to your email.

regards seratjati

Quoting from [seratjati]:

Quoting from [selling]:

Quoting from [seratjati]:




Replying to [rienimayasari]: yes you are correct, every scammer can do fake the document, even they can fake my picture or yours.



But you can not open company account in abank if you do not have NPWP, SIUP, and Akta Notaris, For personal you need only your ID/KTP.



I agree with you that TT MUST NOT aplied to buy sample. and import brand must be more expensive here.

Hello Seratjati

I write to you because I don't know where else to turn to. My father has ordered and paid for some ATVs at a company in Indonesia called CV Panglatu Powersports, but since he paid he hasen't been able to contact the company. My father dosn't speek English so he is depending on help from others. The company is located at : JL. Gatot Soebroto, Jakarta Selatan 14875. They have a website www.palangtu.com How can we find out if this company has scamed my father? We have tried to contact the Indonesian Embassy in Copenhagen but so far they havn't been muuch of a help. I believe my fathers wish was to begin an import of these ATVs, but if it is a scam he of course will have to find another project. I hope you will be able to help us , and I thank you in advance. I can be contacted on my email address: selling@madsen.mail.dk Thank you

 

Dear Friend,



I am sorry to reply late, but unfortunetly your father has been scamed, the address is not exist not real company. to make clear i send you email directly to your email.


regards seratjati

Dear Friends, Thank you for the information. I`m also an Indonesian and because of this scammers people having hard time to trust me and my company. I hope this thread clear out the scammers and make way for the trustworthy. Thank you