Hi ,
Today , India and china are the fastest growing economies of the world and has emerged as the production and outsourcing hub of the world.
India, however, is little lagging behind in economy but due to its English speaking Huge young population and democracy , attracts the whole world and has advantage due to this.
Comments are invited on which country suppliers has the potential to offer best prices vis a vis quality?
And also would like to know
1)what chinese suppliers think of Indian goods and suppliers? do they see them as competitors?
2)What Indian suppliers think of chinese goods and suppliers?do they also see them as competitors?(my answer is ofcourse yes.)
3)What does rest of the world think for both china and indian goods and suppliers? whom would they prefer?

Thanks and Regards

Ram krishan

Replying to [Sage]:If I have offended you, I apologies my friend. But I am glad you have learned to look the thing from different angles. Point is made. Great stuff !!!

Replying to [maxis]: "Your end statement denies your first one" - there are many factors which determine the choice of trading partner. If you are looking for a single overriding factor, you will not find it. As I said, price and quality are likely to be the most important issues but no one can deny, for example, that an English speaking buyer will be happier dealing with an English speaking seller. Cultural differences also have an effect on decisions. Dealing with businesses that care about the environment is becoming an increasingly popular course, as is avoiding dealing with countries with poor human rights records. No one can pretend that, when a story about selling human body parts or suppressing religious and political freedoms is making the headlines, it helps the case for buying Chinese.

Replying to [maxis]: No offense taken Moxis, understand you have some difficulty in understanding & looking at the issue from all angles.

I agree with your points maxsteam. Price & quality are important. Further, Moxis seems to be naive in thinking politics does not play a major part in the economy! Learn from history why the west warmed up to communist China instead of democratic India thus leading them to the position they are in now. As one who has lived in India, China & Hong Kong I can tell you corruption is rampant in China the same as in India. In China a lot of it is unreported. Both governments are doing what they can to tackle the problem. However, I would like to point out that the big brother mentality of communist China where you cannot say/do anything against the interest of the party from the bottom up is a big problem in tackling corruption. In China's case they have crackdowns from the top and some heavy handed sentences are carried out to show they are doing something about it. In contrast we have in India the local free news media who have made scoops and disclosed high level corruption. This is next to impossible in present day China. The governments openly ignores copyright violations are now facing some heat from the west. In China if you were to hold up a sign with some politically charged words you would immediately get the police all over you in minutes but in the same place if you were to sell some fake brand name bags or pirated DVD's no one would make a big fuss....and oh yes I say again they do have crackdown's every once in a while to show they are tackling corruption & piracy etc.

Replying to [Indian shoes]:
We have the competitors everywhere anytime, not only in China or India. Also, we are partners, you can see Indian also import goods from China and export to China too. They have their advantage in different industries.

Of course, the competitions beteen China and India will continue, like our life will go on.

Replying to [Sage]:
Dear Sage,
I would like to drop a few words about your writing:

" In China if you were to hold up a sign with some politically charged words you would immediately get the police all over you in minutes but in the same place if you were to sell some fake brand name bags or pirated DVD's no one would make a big fuss....and oh yes I say again they do have crackdown's every once in a while to show they are tackling corruption & piracy etc. "

I do not know how often you have been in China and how much you know about the present China. But I can say today in China when you comment the China Government about the political charged words, you will be unable to see the police to come and arrest you. In compare the old time, twenty years ago it did like what you said. However, things are changing for the facts that today I can hear many local Chinese complaint about the Government openly as long as you do not touch the bottom line of Indenpence of Taiwan or Tibet
or overthrow of the Communist Party, which we should not advocate
and support. Then for the rest ,no one cares whatever you want you can talk publicly.

About selling the fake brand items, the market is really huge. There
are not enough people to enforce the law and I think to put more concentrations on the crimes prevention and stop drug dealings
and the precautions of food safety, all these are more urgent to
action and stop, while fake products casue no immediate harms so far.

Talking about the corruption issue, it is everywhere no matter you are
democratic or communist country, it is greatly related with the system using and we also can find corruptions in the Sates and Europe. Just the levels are different. Money and power are destroying
all kinds of systems, who can resist the tempation?

India and China are facing many more or less the same problems and also some various issues that we cannot view them just from
our understandable points and experience.

Replying to [Leosun]:
Dear Leosun,
I do not blame you for thinking in this way. It is very sad you do not really know what true freedom and choice is. Freedom to express your view even if it against the communist government view. You say people are openly complaining about the communist government but should not advocate the overthrow of the government. How do you expect there to be improvement if there is no alternative party and the pressure is on the communist party itself to police itself?? Also, you say fake products cause no immediate harm !!! How can you say this?? You are robing from the people who have developed these products by their own technology & hard work. Do you know how much money is robbed due to copyright violations?? It is precisely for this reason & mentality of Chinese thinking that the rest of the world is upset why nothing serious is done to enforce the law in this matter. Go to Lo Wu in Shenzhen across the border with Hong Kong and see the amount of fake goods openly sold from software, brand name bags, watches, Hollywood movies DVD's, music CD's etc. etc. This is billions of dollars worth of goods "STOLEN" from the true companies !! But you say no much harm is done??? No harm to you but harm to others.

Replying to [Sage]:
Dear Sage,
Thanks for your comment.
I said the fake products casued no" immediate" harm.
I did not say it casued no harm at all.
It is different levels of viewing the issue.
I am thinking in comparing the huge profits for those brand companies; how much money for these companies lose immediately?
Indeed, it is funny to see from another angle that people buy fake products to show off or unable to pay for the real ones but buying the fake ones to meet their desires.
And these driving forces perhaps can help the branded companies to sell more when these type of people can afford to buy the real ones in the future.
May be the copied products, in some ways, are helping the branded companies to promote their products , although it is illegal and not
acceptable.
Why the fake products can survive ? There are strong demands!
Do you know if it is the poor people to buy it only?
I witness many times, rich and well educated persons also buy copies. Can you tell me the reasons?
I am not here to advocate buying the copied products and no respect to the intellectual property. I am discussing here about to talk the
democracy and intellectual property to the poor and hungry people
just like you play piano in front of the animals. Any system takes time to develop into a mature but good one.
I see the present Western system is not suitable for China, and China will develop her own style to be an independent country, but not that type of western democratic one. Your understanding about the freedom is mainly applying to your country and the West, while China will take some more time to run her own way to achieve that.
I deeply believe no body knows better than the Chinese themselves,
the same like you, you know and understand much better your country: India than the people out of India.
As here is discussing the topic " India or China", so I refer the
topic concerned and express what I think.
May be, you do not accept some of my points of view , but we
need to look all around and do not limit ourself to one side only.

Replying to [Leosun]:
Your mention of "immediate" harm is really strange. What is your point?? Companies loose money as a result of copyright violations, this is a FACT. whether it is "immediate" or not does it change anything ?? It is still stealing revenue from these companies. It is up to responsible government to control & stop this practice. FYI if a shop in Shenzhen, China is selling a fake Louis Vuitton bag for a cheap price the poor people have an opportunity to buy something they otherwise could not afford & the rich people can buy the same product for a cheaper price... so why they will buy the original?? This is common sense...what answer can I offer you to your question. A strong sense of corporate morality & justice has to be thought & indoctrinated in the people so that they do not make or buy fake products. It is interesting to see that no fake Beijing Olympic memorabilia/stuff is on sale in China?? Now I ask you a question why do you think this is the case? How come? Look into the reasons.

If you have seen my earlier comments you would understand my position that democracy is not the holy grail of solutions & that it is very possible for democracy to benefit one country and not benefit another. You have made some assumptions about me & which is my country? As someone who has lived in the east & the west I have had the privilege of seeing things from various angles. If I may make the assumption you may have not had a similar experience & lived mostly in China? You say " May be, you do not accept some of my points of view, but we need to look all around and do not limit ourself to one side only." You are quite right. but we should not go round in circles too. What is right is right & what is wrong is wrong. Everyone agrees "stealing" is "stealing" if in China or India or UK. So why make excuses and get defensive & deny copyright violations is not so serious? Let us work in tackling this problems. The first step is to admit it is a problem then you can begin to work on it ! This same stance can be applied to other issues like press freedom, etc. etc.