DO NOT BUY MOBILES PHONES FROM CHINA
Post 22 of 41
Some of Alibaba's scam phone sellers are listed on Wilhelm's good topic here:
Wilhelm's list names about 100 out of some 1,000 Alibaba scam phone dealers.
Congratulations Alibaba for conducting the world's largest B2B platform for scam phone sellers.
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27 Mar 2008 15:36
Post 23 of 41
Replying to [Aussie]:
A bit off topic here Aussie ,but I thought a bit of thanks to you was in order (NOT) .After reading your articles ,ref CE / A Tick etc certifications I decided to read up about the subject. So started delving around on the Euro Gov sites.
After many many hours of reading the regulations and directives , I can now say you contributed to an almost brain dead state in me .Who writes that stuff ? These guys dont write in any understandable form of English that I know of.
If your Aussie legislators are as bad as the Euro ones ,then you have my sympathies .
My little notion of trying something with CE requirements will now go to specialist folks ,who can then return to me with definitive info.
Joking aside ,any one wishing to take on CE certification ,you should get yourself in to those EU Gov sites .A lot to be learned ,before expensive mistakes being the potential outcome for you .
A bit off topic here Aussie ,but I thought a bit of thanks to you was in order (NOT) .After reading your articles ,ref CE / A Tick etc certifications I decided to read up about the subject. So started delving around on the Euro Gov sites.
After many many hours of reading the regulations and directives , I can now say you contributed to an almost brain dead state in me .Who writes that stuff ? These guys dont write in any understandable form of English that I know of.
If your Aussie legislators are as bad as the Euro ones ,then you have my sympathies .
My little notion of trying something with CE requirements will now go to specialist folks ,who can then return to me with definitive info.
Joking aside ,any one wishing to take on CE certification ,you should get yourself in to those EU Gov sites .A lot to be learned ,before expensive mistakes being the potential outcome for you .
28 Mar 2008 10:07
Post 24 of 41
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Hi, how's it going these days mate.
Yep, those EU directives are sure a mouthful even for me and I've had legal training. A case of too many cooks spoiling the broth I guess ... all those different EU cooks writing a common menu to please all member countries resulting in directives that nobody understands.
The good news (once you work it out) is that the EU is much less regulated than our over-regulated Australian and USA mobile phone markets.
The other good news is that several more Chinese phone factories I'm talking with have now agreed to pay for proper mobile phone certification for the West. Maybe by the end of 2008, we can change this topic to "Buy Mobile Phones from China". The key is of course that buyer's co-op we're talking about for all the little guys to share in the big factory MOQs of 1,000 to 5,000 phones at the right price.
Nothing I'd love more than to bust open the closed phone shop in the West which Nokia and the boys presently own. ![[em3]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_grin.gif)
28 Mar 2008 19:35
Post 25 of 41
Quoting from [eutrade]:
Replying to [Aussie]:
Hi Aussie.
Another good & enlightening post from you regarding the mobile phone market and its workings.
I know you concentrated on the Australian regulations etc ,for purposes of the post .But heres the UK take on the potential for disaster ,should buyers put $ savings before end user safety etc . HM customs & excise together with the judicial system here , > they will slaughter your business.And in more ways than money .Pure and simle.
Goods confiscated and destroyed is the least of the worries.The follow through is the real trouble .Court appearance ,possible enormous fines ,possibly even loss of freedom . That IS the reality here .
EU countries" legal systems are essentially all grouped under the one umbrella ,so no real escape when irregularities are highlighted .
Man, it is this easy. You the buyer looking for phones from China are being creedy. You want to make a ton of cash and think because you saw under the battery on your personal cell it says Made in China. Well you then say to yourself, I heard that stuff is cheap in China, like I can trade dirt for laptops and stuff. Guess what? You will not save any money, you will get scammed, lose you money, get refurb phones you cannot sell on ebay (we know that is why you are here), and possible legal fines, jail time, and a lawsuit from a customer with half a brain. Find an authorized distributor in your country, need help ask me. Nuff said.
16 Apr 2008 20:16
Post 26 of 41
Quoting from [Aim Direct USA]:Quoting from [eutrade]:
Replying to [Aussie]:
Hi Aussie.
Another good & enlightening post from you regarding the mobile phone market and its workings.
I know you concentrated on the Australian regulations etc ,for purposes of the post .But heres the UK take on the potential for disaster ,should buyers put $ savings before end user safety etc . HM customs & excise together with the judicial system here , > they will slaughter your business.And in more ways than money .Pure and simle.
Goods confiscated and destroyed is the least of the worries.The follow through is the real trouble .Court appearance ,possible enormous fines ,possibly even loss of freedom . That IS the reality here .
EU countries" legal systems are essentially all grouped under the one umbrella ,so no real escape when irregularities are highlighted .
Man, it is this easy. You the buyer looking for phones from China are being creedy. You want to make a ton of cash and think because you saw under the battery on your personal cell it says Made in China. Well you then say to yourself, I heard that stuff is cheap in China, like I can trade dirt for laptops and stuff. Guess what? You will not save any money, you will get scammed, lose you money, get refurb phones you cannot sell on ebay (we know that is why you are here), and possible legal fines, jail time, and a lawsuit from a customer with half a brain. Find an authorized distributor in your country, need help ask me. Nuff said.
Hello,
Where can I find a legitamate dealer in the US for brand name cell phones?
18 Aug 2008 13:44
Post 27 of 41
Hi artrageous, look at the following link ...
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/291589/World_Wide_Distributors_of_Cell_Phones_and_related_goods.htm
19 Aug 2008 00:05
Post 28 of 41
Hi Aussie
I really enjoyed your contributions on this site. I have been searching for phones and computer products but have found almost every listing on alibaba is in some way useless to an importer in Australia - fakes, money scams or illegal/unsafe to sell in Australia.
After trawling through this site any many others for weeks now, I have found no contact that I can trust. Perhaps you can help in some way? feel free to get in touch and scrub my email bookofpleasures.gmail don't worry I'm not so gullible to be scammed (hey I work in advertising!)
I am also producing a magazine next year for business people, would love to get in touch regarding your business advice as we have seen in here.
cheers
Ben
Canberra
I really enjoyed your contributions on this site. I have been searching for phones and computer products but have found almost every listing on alibaba is in some way useless to an importer in Australia - fakes, money scams or illegal/unsafe to sell in Australia.
After trawling through this site any many others for weeks now, I have found no contact that I can trust. Perhaps you can help in some way? feel free to get in touch and scrub my email bookofpleasures.gmail don't worry I'm not so gullible to be scammed (hey I work in advertising!)
I am also producing a magazine next year for business people, would love to get in touch regarding your business advice as we have seen in here.
cheers
Ben
Canberra
05 Oct 2008 20:01
Post 29 of 41
I wish I could have found this article earlier. I have purchased 4 Phones from King Kong Tech and thought everything was ok. I have resold one and am thinking I should get it back after reading this. They are dancing around the question about
producing the FCC certificate saying they sell to USA all the time and implying I do not know what I am doing, their is an FCC # on the phone but I guess it is not any good. Should I try and get the one back I already sold and destroy the others? Help
I need to do the right thing.
Quoting from [Aussie]WHAT TO LOOK FOR
.Before you even ask the price, you must ask if the phone is certified.
For USA, it's FCC certification
Punch a buyer search for mobile phones into Alibaba at top of this page. Among the tens of thousands of published offers, you will not see even one A-Tick or FCC certification. You will see a couple claiming CE certification. However, when you delve into the latter, you find the CE certificate is not held by the factory or trader but is held by the European importer meaning the CE is useless to you.
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Then there are the fake brand name phones where every single one of the thousands of published leads on Alibaba for brand name phones is a fake phone. A knock-off phone is one matter but the fact that these phones are not lab tested for certification in Western countries is a far more serious matter.
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30 Dec 2008 06:09
Post 30 of 41
HI Aussie , that was interesting ... I'm looking at importing/ having made up some torches/ lights / and you enlightened me as to what to look for and what to avoid. Yes it seems like a strange world out there in China Alibabaland with such a vast number of factories and sales reps....
I am thinking battery not rechargable unless its solar recharge and not connected to the mains ...that should be more affordable for me as a start up. Its still hard to trawl through the numbers of manufacturers.
thank you for your time ... hope all is going well .
Heather Carey , Wollongong area heatherzxatyahoodotcomdotau
I am thinking battery not rechargable unless its solar recharge and not connected to the mains ...that should be more affordable for me as a start up. Its still hard to trawl through the numbers of manufacturers.
thank you for your time ... hope all is going well .
Heather Carey , Wollongong area heatherzxatyahoodotcomdotau
28 Jan 2009 00:28
Post 31 of 41
For mobile business, the author of the said article is a little radical and not so real. The fact is only very few chinese export sales do some tricky things.In most cases, chinese export sales will tell truth to their customers ifmobile isoringal or copied, with certificate or not, etc. They will ask foreign customer to make a decision. Without foreign customer approval, how they can get payment and move forward? some overseabuyer seek high profit and they still need the goods unsatisfied even they know the truth.regarding mobiel business,there are two ways to do. One is for brand business, the purchaser will be big fish and they buy big qty with their own design, logo and packing, etc. But as you know, since mobile factoryies open to do business, they can't stop to wait order coming. In case the factory don't have enough order to make, they will make some popularmodels as stock. Then you will have antoher mode ofmobile business, stock mobile business.of course, some copied mobile also come to market because there is somebodylooking for!!!!. So the most important for business is please ask your chinese export sales tell you truth andnext how you make a decision. In mobile market,a funny things isthat: when our chinese sales promotetheir factory designed models, but 80% oversea customershow no interests and alwaysasking back: do you have nokia, motorola,etc?why,because they sell well in regular mobile market. It is hard for a factory to make a new model and survive. Esp for africa, south africa countries, they only need copy nokia, etc. What should wedo?it is common sense that for mobile business, you need invest big money to buy qualified goods, develop your sales channel and after-sales services. It is a big project. Why still there are so many small western buyer they want to do mobile business and just use several hundred dollars? what the most strange is why some of them aways asking prices for those brand mobile, like nokia n95? and later tell you that they are taken in!!!they are so smart and you can't tell me they don't know this mobile business nature before taking action!!!!!!!!!The author only see the surface and did not touch real substance inside. He can't blame chinese export sales as smart-XXX!!!. what i can say is The fly does not bite the seamless egg! He is one of them and get hurt then curse back like that!!!!
24 Feb 2009 22:51