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This is how the mind of a Chinese Scammer works ...
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In a Post by "wensenchen [CN]" owner of the scammer companies "oosoon.com" and "putian chengxiang huacheng trade co.,ltd," (who are Alibaba Gold Suppliers offering cheap fake products as Original Brands), he says:

http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/172486/www_oosoon_com_or_putian_chengxiang_huacheng_trade_co_ltd_scammers/2.htm

"In fact, for only a few hundred dollars, we are teaching greedy people how to be less greedy in the future. So we are doing our share to improve humanity. After all, chinese civilization is older than the white people civilization. When our ancestors were studying the stars, white men were still writing on cave walls. China is the center of the world. We are the best, even if you call us scambugs."

In effect, he's saying that he steals money from buyers to teach them a lesson (about trying to buy low priced brand name products).

Do not try to buy Original Brands from China, they are not avaliable!!!

Wilhelm

16 Nov 2007 17:32
Post 2 of 39
Many thanks for that Wilhelm.
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One of that slimy cockroach's employees has stepped forward to expose him too.
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First, here's the full context of what the cockroach boss said ....

Replying to [iceman]:
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Putian Chengxiang Huacheng Trade Co., Ltd. (PCHTCL) is legitimate international trader of cheap chinese copies of famous brands. If you want to buy the geniune product, we challenge you to buy direct from factories. This is why many people come to us and pay us advance money.
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If we are pure scammers, we would not have delivered any products at all. But we did, even if the products are fake copies only. As they say in America you get what you paid for. So do not complain if you got what you paid for. There are many chinese companies alibaba GOLD SUPPLIER, so we are legitimate.
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We only target those who are ready to buy cheap. Americans and Europeans do not understand the mentality of us Chinese. If we are wrong or alibaba is wrong how come that alibaba had just a fantastic public offering in hongkong better than google public offering in america? You people should run after your greed or if you want you can run after alibaba.
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If you are crying because you thought you bought from us a Kaiser for only $150 when the price in the US is more than $800, but you are angry because you thought you saved $650. So why blame us? We are also meeting the greed of so many people. In fact, for only a few hundred dollars, we are teaching greedy people how to be less greedy in the future.
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So we are doing our share to improve humanity.
After all, chinese civilization is older than the white people civilization. When our ancestors were studying the stars, white men were still writing on cave walls. China is the center of the world. We are the best, even if you call us scambugs.
16 Nov 2007 21:31
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Now, here's what his very courageous employee steped forward and said (on the same link as above) ...

Helo... My name is Tom. I work for Putian Chengxiang Huacheng Trade Co., Ltd. I did not realize my company is selling counterfeit products until I receive so many complains. My boss, Wensen Chen, assured me that we do not sell counterfeit products because we have to maintain honesty and integrity because of our Alibaba Gold Supplier standing. Because of our Gold Supplier seal of approval from Alibaba, as well as D&B and Tradekey, there are so many people who believed us.


I discovered that my boss was merely paying the required Alibaba fees to become a Gold Supplier.


We fooled many many people from all over the world. They mainly are from the US, Australia and Europe.

I am about to resign from this company, so I decided to expose this. Please do not email me at my usual email address (oosoon15@hotmail.com) because my boss opens my email.


I am sorry that I have been an accessory to the many pains of many people who fell for our company's scam.


When my boss discovers this posting, he will claim that I am merely an impostor. Let him be.


But let others be warned not to deal with our company and other companies from Putian city. We are an embarrassment to China and other honest companies that are out here to make an honest living.


By the way, if you think that the founders of Alibaba care about the scams going on using their website, please think that they already cashed out from the Initial Public Offering in Hong Kong. They are already filthy rich and enjoying their newly found wealth. In a short while, Alibaba (and the virtual thieves) will go down, and many investors in Hong Kong and Taiwan will lose will pants.


In order for me to express myself clearly, a friend of mine who attended a university in Hong Kong helped me to compose this letter of apology. He is also angry at Alibaba.


Thank you again for reading this post.


TomZhang

16 Nov 2007 21:41
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Replying to [vikki li]:

Thanks for posting about www.boleysi.com - yet another scammer.

My question is, why does Alibaba allows that?
17 Nov 2007 03:11
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it's extremely hard to for companies such as Alibaba.com to check each companies legitimacy , it would be such a tedious hassle .


Does alibaba have a department for complaints?,
17 Nov 2007 17:35
Post 6 of 39

Hi Jackie,

"Yes" in the case of Free Members.

'No" in the case of Gold Members where a partial on the spot audit (in respect of Quality Control systems and verification as to whether brand name products are fake or authentic) costs less than $500 versus some $6,000 annual membership fee charged by Alibaba.

Alibaba does delist members but mainly only in proven cases of no product being dispatched upon payment of sale price. Typically, a scammer will send any piece of worthless junk thereby maintaining membership status.


17 Nov 2007 18:04
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Replying to [wilhelm]:
Thank very much for sharing this to us all.

As a Gold Supplier of Alibaba site, we also hate these kinds of scammer companies, this may cause customers misunderstanding us. We do hope all the customers know them and do not deal with them.

But I’m sorry to say, I can’t agree with you that you say “Do not try to buy Original Brands from China, they are not available!!!” Most of the gold suppliers in China are legit companies or manufacturers, we produce good quality and reasonable price products, we export these products to every place of the world, this is the mutual benefits for both China supplier and foreign customers.
So I think your view is much too extremely. Scammer exists in every country, includes your country also, so if that means you’d like to tell others don’t buy original brand product in your country ??

This theory makes no sense! As business man, we should deal with our business rationally, so what do you think ?
18 Nov 2007 18:14
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Replying to [jackstar]:

>it's extremely hard to for companies such as Alibaba.com to check each companies legitimacy

OK, I agree, however, it's not that difficult to filter out the very obvious fraud. One easy way could be not to allow any copyright infringements on home pages.
18 Nov 2007 18:24
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Replying to [wilhelm]:My god, Its really strange. Thanks for the info Buddy.
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19 Nov 2007 04:04
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Quoting from [Maurice ]:


But I’m sorry to say, I can’t agree with you that you say “Do not try to buy Original Brands from China, they are not available!!!” Most of the gold suppliers in China are legit companies or manufacturers, we produce good quality and reasonable price products, we export these products to every place of the world, this is the mutual benefits for both China supplier and foreign customers.

So I think your view is much too extremely. Scammer exists in every country, includes your country also, so if that means you’d like to tell others don’t buy original brand product in your country ??



Maurice I think that you may have misunderstood the post made by Wilhelm.

Of course you can buy legitimate foreign brand name product in China - BUT ONLY FROM LICENCED RE-SELLERS OF THE BRAND NAME PRODUCT - which in the case of China means retail sale. But why would a foreign buyer buy at retail prices in China, pay for freight back to his or her own country? That would not make sense.

The reality is of course that foreign buyers look to China for these products as they think that they can buy direct from the supplier at really cheap prices. No one can buy brand name products from the supplier unless they are a licenced distributor of that brand name. And this is the point that we are making when we say that you cannot buy legitimate foreign brand name items in China.

There are of course Chinese brand names that can be purchased legitimately direct from the suppliers in China but often these brand names are not famous outside of China so the name means nothing to foreign buyers.

Then of course there are non-branded products that buyers can either put their name on or sell un-branded. This is where the money is to be made when buying electronics in China.

Let's not confuse the fact that if you try to buy famous foreign brand name product in China then you will not get what you are paying for.

19 Nov 2007 16:42
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Replying to [Egernia]:Yes, I understand now. I didn’t read this post very carefully before. [em10]
We all should keep on our alert to these scammers and do business safe.
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19 Nov 2007 18:59
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