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I think you loco, you pay T.T up front
Fraud Case Study 18 - Western Union payment Fraud [Article]
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13 Nov 2007 04:53
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hello sir,

its been more than 1 month that i orderd for a product to a company, paid through Western Union  and in the result they sent me the wrong items with C class quality. After that, i requested them to send me my money as i dont wana prolong this business but that person who is respenting company is keep saying that Boss is not in company , he is at holiday and even dont give me his number and keep saying that when he will come back then your money will be sort out. astonishing thing is, nobody in the company does't know the number of Boss.

please please pleae help me as its my first transection and i am totaly lost to recover my money. your earliest reply will be highly appreciated.

Regards

Adnan

08 Apr 2008 07:30
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big ripp off

Company Name: Hefei Finetime Trade Co., Ltd.

Contact Person: Mr. mr rony

please some help me get my money back from bellow seller - they sold me fake usb device that dont work

Street Address: 22# middle yangguang road

City: jinjiang

Province/State: Fujian

Country/Region: China

Zip: 362200

Telephone: 86-150-55140363

Website: http://www.sport-room.com

http://cnhuatang.en.alibaba.com


09 Apr 2008 12:05
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It seams most of the buyers not like pay by western union

My customer pay me by western union sometimes,it is fast ,and very easy

16 Apr 2008 09:34
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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I'm trying to do a deal with a supplier. I have told him I won't pay until I receive the goods. I can understand that he won't send the goods without payment because he could be afraid I will take the goods and refuse to pay. Therefore, he has come up with an idea.

I pay for the goods using Western Union and enter his address but use someone else's name (e.g. one of my friends or family members). He will then send the goods as I obviously have the required amount of money. When I receive the goods, I can change the name on the Western Union payment form to his name so he can collect the money.

Will this make the transaction safer?

Analysis of this case:

1. Money transfer services, such as Western Union, are fast, easy and convenient ways to send funds to people you know. They are not designed to be a payment method for doing business with a stranger. If you don't know the person you are sending money to, this payment method is the same as sending a cheque to someone. They can cash it anywhere without restrictions.

2. Be cautious if a supplier tells you that they will only accept money transfer as their payment method. Most legitimate sellers will accept more than one form of payment. Be suspicious if a supplier tells you how to "safeguard" your purchase by putting the name of a friend or loved one on the money transfer documents. Also be careful if they ask you to establish a "test question." Changing the name or adding a test questions will not protect you from a fraudulent seller.

3. Anyone can pick up the payment whenever they show either

a) proper identification or

b) a money transfer number (MTCN).

All a fraudster has to do is complete the "To Receive Money" form and give it to the Agent with their ID card or the correct MTCN. The agent will give them a receipt. When they sign the receipt, they can take the money without a problem.

4. Western Union does not offer an escrow service or any type of "purchase protection." In other words, once you send your money, there is no way to get it back. Remember, Western Union is a service typically used to send money between two parties that know each other.



in my mind ,if you have a good agent in china ,you will avoid this problem ,just send money to your agent ,and your agent will do the service for you ,payment and if met problem with factory ,agent will be a good bridge to deal with the problem
16 Apr 2008 09:36
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Hello Gentlemen,

 

I just want everyone to be aware of Kingdigital LTd out of China supposable who accepted a WU from me for a small order in the amount of $660.00. Since they have received the MTCN # I have not heard a word from them and it has been almost two weeks. BEWARE OF KINGDIGITAL LTD. PEOPLE ARE THIEFS OUT THERE!!! FRAUD FRAUD / KINGDIGITAL FRAUD!!!!!

ALEX G

BARGAINTEK LLC

USA

30 Apr 2008 17:48
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April 30, 2008

Hello Gentlemen,

If there is any one looking to do business with a ligit company such as myself in the United States, i have access to several suppliers worldwide for electronics, phones, memory cards, bluetooth, etc. You will feel much more comfortable dealing with someone who is going to compromise with payment terms. My compnay is Bargaintek LLC in Miami, Florida and if you have any questions about any products, please feel free to email me at alexg@bargaintek.com .

Best Regards,

Alex Golubev

 

 

P

30 Apr 2008 18:13
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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I'm trying to do a deal with a supplier. I have told him I won't pay until I receive the goods. I can understand that he won't send the goods without payment because he could be afraid I will take the goods and refuse to pay. Therefore, he has come up with an idea.

I pay for the goods using Western Union and enter his address but use someone else's name (e.g. one of my friends or family members). He will then send the goods as I obviously have the required amount of money. When I receive the goods, I can change the name on the Western Union payment form to his name so he can collect the money.

Will this make the transaction safer?

Analysis of this case:

1. Money transfer services, such as Western Union, are fast, easy and convenient ways to send funds to people you know. They are not designed to be a payment method for doing business with a stranger. If you don't know the person you are sending money to, this payment method is the same as sending a cheque to someone. They can cash it anywhere without restrictions.

2. Be cautious if a supplier tells you that they will only accept money transfer as their payment method. Most legitimate sellers will accept more than one form of payment. Be suspicious if a supplier tells you how to "safeguard" your purchase by putting the name of a friend or loved one on the money transfer documents. Also be careful if they ask you to establish a "test question." Changing the name or adding a test questions will not protect you from a fraudulent seller.

3. Anyone can pick up the payment whenever they show either

a) proper identification or

b) a money transfer number (MTCN).

All a fraudster has to do is complete the "To Receive Money" form and give it to the Agent with their ID card or the correct MTCN. The agent will give them a receipt. When they sign the receipt, they can take the money without a problem.

4. Western Union does not offer an escrow service or any type of "purchase protection." In other words, once you send your money, there is no way to get it back. Remember, Western Union is a service typically used to send money between two parties that know each other.



Just to deal with a company but not a personal trader, maybe after many years coopersation, you may trust him and transfer your payment to his person account ro keep using company account, by using this, may keep your business legitimate ,
03 May 2008 08:12
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hehehe good pay by WU and repent, it has been told thousands times that people who ask for WU payments are FRAUDS they why people still pay by WU and then cry afterwards [em1]

06 May 2008 22:50
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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I'm trying to do a deal with a supplier. I have told him I won't pay until I receive the goods. I can understand that he won't send the goods without payment because he could be afraid I will take the goods and refuse to pay. Therefore, he has come up with an idea.

I pay for the goods using Western Union and enter his address but use someone else's name (e.g. one of my friends or family members). He will then send the goods as I obviously have the required amount of money. When I receive the goods, I can change the name on the Western Union payment form to his name so he can collect the money.

Will this make the transaction safer?

Analysis of this case:

1. Money transfer services, such as Western Union, are fast, easy and convenient ways to send funds to people you know. They are not designed to be a payment method for doing business with a stranger. If you don't know the person you are sending money to, this payment method is the same as sending a cheque to someone. They can cash it anywhere without restrictions.

2. Be cautious if a supplier tells you that they will only accept money transfer as their payment method. Most legitimate sellers will accept more than one form of payment. Be suspicious if a supplier tells you how to "safeguard" your purchase by putting the name of a friend or loved one on the money transfer documents. Also be careful if they ask you to establish a "test question." Changing the name or adding a test questions will not protect you from a fraudulent seller.

3. Anyone can pick up the payment whenever they show either

a) proper identification or

b) a money transfer number (MTCN).

All a fraudster has to do is complete the "To Receive Money" form and give it to the Agent with their ID card or the correct MTCN. The agent will give them a receipt. When they sign the receipt, they can take the money without a problem.

4. Western Union does not offer an escrow service or any type of "purchase protection." In other words, once you send your money, there is no way to get it back. Remember, Western Union is a service typically used to send money between two parties that know each other.



lol , I think the analysis is not  100% correct , and it seems the analyst  is not very familiar with the Western Union Payment Process.  coz the 3rd point is totally wrong,  if  the WU beneficiary wanna withdraw the payment , what he must is to provide the correct beneficiary's name, sender's name and MTCN.  all of them must be 100% correct, even one small wrong spelling of beneficiary or senders name , then the WU agent wont allow  you pick up the money ,  so the analysis said the person show either a proper identification  or MTCN to WU , then can pick up the payment is not correct.  

hmm, thus i think if the supplier can ask you write your own name on the WU form, then i think  he wanna guarante he will surely send you goods,  if he cheat you, i think its also not good to him at all, coz without knowing a correct name, he cant pick up your payment .  

13 May 2008 10:16
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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I'm trying to do a deal with a supplier. I have told him I won't pay until I receive the goods. I can understand that he won't send the goods without payment because he could be afraid I will take the goods and refuse to pay. Therefore, he has come up with an idea.

I pay for the goods using Western Union and enter his address but use someone else's name (e.g. one of my friends or family members). He will then send the goods as I obviously have the required amount of money. When I receive the goods, I can change the name on the Western Union payment form to his name so he can collect the money.

Will this make the transaction safer?

Analysis of this case:

1. Money transfer services, such as Western Union, are fast, easy and convenient ways to send funds to people you know. They are not designed to be a payment method for doing business with a stranger. If you don't know the person you are sending money to, this payment method is the same as sending a cheque to someone. They can cash it anywhere without restrictions.

2. Be cautious if a supplier tells you that they will only accept money transfer as their payment method. Most legitimate sellers will accept more than one form of payment. Be suspicious if a supplier tells you how to "safeguard" your purchase by putting the name of a friend or loved one on the money transfer documents. Also be careful if they ask you to establish a "test question." Changing the name or adding a test questions will not protect you from a fraudulent seller.

3. Anyone can pick up the payment whenever they show either

a) proper identification or

b) a money transfer number (MTCN).

All a fraudster has to do is complete the "To Receive Money" form and give it to the Agent with their ID card or the correct MTCN. The agent will give them a receipt. When they sign the receipt, they can take the money without a problem.

4. Western Union does not offer an escrow service or any type of "purchase protection." In other words, once you send your money, there is no way to get it back. Remember, Western Union is a service typically used to send money between two parties that know each other.



i agree, because i was a victim of fraud recently, and can't do anything about it. i purchased a few items from a web site called conke ceo: leehebe email they sent me the wrong stuff. plus the items they sent me wasnt taking service. the other ones worked for a second and batteries went dead and will not come back on unless i buy batteries for them. im very disapointed because i didnt have much money to give away, ihave two kids.
29 May 2008 12:28
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