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Fraud Case Study 18 - Western Union payment Fraud [Article]
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13 Nov 2007 04:53
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gwaliorsspl on Tue May 06 22:50:42 PDT 2008

hehehe good pay by WU and repent, it has been told thousands times that people who ask for WU payments are FRAUDS they why people still pay by WU and then cry afterwards <img src=" border="0" src="http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_smile.gif" />



I disagree that all WU payments are FRUADS. Never use the word ALL to cover any topic. There are no such things as all. There will always be the real and the scammers.

Sometime it is the buyer who request for such payment method. For small amount western union is very convenient and save queing at the bank. The problem is not western union it's the people. Same problems can happen even with bank transfer.

Know you supplier, Know you buyer. Know the business. Even then you are not assure 100% safety but it would help to a certain degree avoid problems.

 

01 Jun 2008 20:01
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Quoting from [AdnanUK]:

hello sir,

its been more than 1 month that i orderd for a product to a company, paid through Western Union  and in the result they sent me the wrong items with C class quality. After that, i requested them to send me my money as i dont wana prolong this business but that person who is respenting company is keep saying that Boss is not in company , he is at holiday and even dont give me his number and keep saying that when he will come back then your money will be sort out. astonishing thing is, nobody in the company does't know the number of Boss.

please please pleae help me as its my first transection and i am totaly lost to recover my money. your earliest reply will be highly appreciated.

Regards

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Adnan


09 Jul 2008 10:45
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Quoting from[jagmom3]:


Replying to [Safe Trading Admin]:[em6]While this information is true, I entered into this scam (not knowing it was a scam), however, when it came time to give the information to the awaiting person wanting to check and then ship so I can change the name the next day. I gave on PURPOSE wrong name and switched one of the numbers - Therefore the scammer couldn't scam me. Think again - I called Western Union the morning before entrusting my money to them. After I learned my money was gone - I asked Western Union how is that he couldn't have been a woman, he wouln't have had an ID, he didn't have the correct number and he didn't have the correct name. You know Western Union basically told me scammers don't run alone - they are in groups or clans. The ONE point this study leaves out is: My money should have been safe - the scammer didn't have the correct MTCN # nor did he have the correct spelling or name to pick up the money. Which leaves me to believe that one person in the group or clan either works for a Western Union place of pick-up in a particular area or the gang, clan, or group pays a Western Union Employee to pay out funds that don't belong to the right person. The best thing we can combat Western Union is if we don't invest / entrust our money to ANY Western Union they will simply disappear - DO NOT USE them. Would you put your banking  behind a glass door? That is what Western Union is like. POSTING your money for all to see in an insecure enviroment. You have no idea who works at these Western Union places. Mine was in a K-Mart. Umm I am pretty sure that if I could guarantee a $300 cash payout to a teenager - I am pretty sure I can get your money - not needing any ID. Western Union locations are not security protected like a bank and they should be. To many people Western Union is their bank - This bank needs to close permanently. Do NOT use them even for family, best friend or even your pet. Send a check you can track a check.


LOL!!! "didn't have the correct MTCN # nor did he have the correct spelling" two years ago i was scammed (alibaba indones) learn lesson... nooww one seller (UK seller.. alibab too) send me a scam... i wiill use your method..... grrrrr
13 Oct 2008 22:14
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Hello from Bargaintek LLC,

          Im the owner of Bargaintek LLC, and I dont recognizde your name, nor did we receive any money from you via Western Union. Can you please explain, exactly what you purchased and maybe this will help us locate your transaction. We are a very HONEST company who maintained a 100% feedback rating on Ebay and customer service.

Please keep in mind, other crooks sometimes steal identities of other companies to take advantage as new potetial buyers. This has happened to us many times and unfortunatly is part of internet business.

We are real and here to help with any questions.


29 Dec 2008 15:37
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Watch out this SCAMMER!  " VERYGOOD INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Co., Ltd "

I had order USB Flash Drives & MP3 Players from this company.

Total almost USD 600 paid by Moneygram because they did not accept Paypal.

After that, they sent me the wrong models of  USB Flashdrives, poor quality and defect items.

Moreover, wrong capacity and not my ordered color of MP3 Players.

When I told Jessica (sales person) about the defect & wrong items, she told me that she will send me new ones

next time when I have make a new order. Pretty bad, huh?

I should Google before buying in Alibaba. I use keyword involving this company and then shocked !!
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/360493/Beware_of_This_Seller_p_r_7592_hotmail_com.htm?message=508994
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/308592/Rant_Deleted.htm?message=385265
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/351838/Xiamen_Forward_Trade_Co_Ltd_a_SCAM_COMPANY_BE_AWARE_.htm

They will change company's name, email, sales person name to another and then do it all again and again.

Check this company " Forward Electronic Technology Limited " ( http://www.hkforward.cn ) has Registered Address, Registration No.1255980 same as " VERYGOOD INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Co., Ltd " and also same company profile!!

Here is the latest contact info of this SCAMMER!

Company Name: Verygood International Development Co., Ltd.

Legal Representative/Business Owner: Ms. Rui-juan Chen 

Registered Address:  Hollywood Plaza,610 Nathan Road, Mongkok,Kowloon, Hongkong

Address:  32F, B building, Huaqiang Garden, Futian District, Shenzhen, China 

Zip: 518033 

Telephone: 86-755-81241196 

Fax:  86-755-29321088 

Website:  http://www.hkucard.com.cn , http://ucard.en.alibaba.com

Email: ucard_6228@hotmail.com ( Jessica )

Payment: Western Union , Moneygram info

first name : JIANWEI

last name  : XUE

city :       Shenzhen

province :   Guangdong

country :    China

zipcode :    518000

 

 

 

 

02 Apr 2009 02:10
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Quoting from [Safe Trading Admin]:

Case Description:

I'm trying to do a deal with a supplier. I have told him I won't pay until I receive the goods. I can understand that he won't send the goods without payment because he could be afraid I will take the goods and refuse to pay. Therefore, he has come up with an idea.

I pay for the goods using Western Union and enter his address but use someone else's name (e.g. one of my friends or family members). He will then send the goods as I obviously have the required amount of money. When I receive the goods, I can change the name on the Western Union payment form to his name so he can collect the money.

Will this make the transaction safer?

Analysis of this case:

1. Money transfer services, such as Western Union, are fast, easy and convenient ways to send funds to people you know. They are not designed to be a payment method for doing business with a stranger. If you don't know the person you are sending money to, this payment method is the same as sending a cheque to someone. They can cash it anywhere without restrictions.

2. Be cautious if a supplier tells you that they will only accept money transfer as their payment method. Most legitimate sellers will accept more than one form of payment. Be suspicious if a supplier tells you how to "safeguard" your purchase by putting the name of a friend or loved one on the money transfer documents. Also be careful if they ask you to establish a "test question." Changing the name or adding a test questions will not protect you from a fraudulent seller.

3. Anyone can pick up the payment whenever they show either

a) proper identification or

b) a money transfer number (MTCN).

All a fraudster has to do is complete the "To Receive Money" form and give it to the Agent with their ID card or the correct MTCN. The agent will give them a receipt. When they sign the receipt, they can take the money without a problem.

4. Western Union does not offer an escrow service or any type of "purchase protection." In other words, once you send your money, there is no way to get it back. Remember, Western Union is a service typically used to send money between two parties that know each other.


what I like to know is "Why this site is developed to help the scammers?" They allow junkies scammers to advertise using "verified Member". I think the website itself should be sued!
29 Sep 2009 21:41
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Hello!
 
I purchased a laptop from a certain Lucy Chun of  Guangzhou Pingjiaping Trading Co., Ltd. with e-mail coming from supply@pingjiaping.cn; sales@pingjiaping.cn. I checked her out and it shows she is a bona-fide supplier from this company. But after paying and after 1 week I haven't received my order. When I checked again, the supplier and their website are not found in Alibaba anymore.
But my luck held out. When I checked with WU, the money has not yet been claimed. I immediately put a hold on my payment and the next day, I got my money back -- minus the transactionfee.
Maybe it's possible to pay via Western Union and instruct them to hold payment until you receive the goods. It's like using an escrow service. Of course, you will lose your transaction fee if your deal went bad, but it's better than losing a whole lot more. Just think of it as a insurance fee. Western Union should consider offering this kind of service since it will bring more confident customer and supplier to their services.
31 Oct 2009 18:46
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