Hi has anyone heard or traded with Bakara intan group please?
Riau Indonesia, They seem to have the products i want to buy but im not sure if they are ligit?
I have already been scammed by New Paris Group indonsia so im very wary or trading with this company? I know not everyone is bad but who do you trust?

Replying to [cheza]:

I have just seen their profiles. yes they seem to have the product at first sight. but, there is something fishy about the products. they submit the catalog images without concern of infringed copyrights. the details of products also in sophisticated words, like they copy-paste them from somewhere. no official registered brand name attached.

There is other possibility. but lets put aside scam attempt from our head. that is for the last ..
May be they are brokers, middle man or reseller. to make sure whether this company as authorized dealer. you may visit the product official website (in USA i guess), search it through Google with keyword bug***stroller like i did (i add the asterisk on purpose, search the product name without asterisk, of course you know the product name). i may not posting the link or saying the name of the product. it will become a trade lead then.

if its come out with the company you have mentioned. so they are reseller.
otherwise, you can buy from its manufacture directly

Replying to [cheza]:

wilhelm is right, when will people wake up and realise this.

Replying to [Wilhelm]:

Whoa..that is pretty serious accusing. but i can understand why you despite Indonesian or other countries which has most frauds. we can trust no one!!. before i continue and to assure me, what do you refer to "him" on your first line. i assume it wasn't me

Thus we can't let our hate or anger then saying or accusing someone briefly without any base or legit fact. that would become personal and not wise. we have to see the problem in more objective perception. If we can't do this, DON'T SAY A WORD !

I am not saying the Batam company we were talk about is a real company. Please read my posting. i say that Cheza should check whether this company is a reseller on the manufacturer company website. If they are reseller, so it could be a real company. but if they are not in the list. they are scammers. that's is what i want to say about last option.

I am not trying to defend this scammer (if it turn out to be) even from the same origin as mine. Why would I defend them? They don't give us any advantages at all but sh*t. I also despite this scammer. they giving all of us as honest entrepreneur a bad name. i hate them.

Quoting from [Wilhelm]:

Conclusion : Why should a expensive Brand Item far away from his origin, be cheaper outside the country where it was manufactured ? Do you think that Indonesia or all other poor countries get priviledges, buying expensive items cheaper from abroad, do you think manufactureres do social welfare and what about shipping costs ?
And if a manufacturer makes OEM in other countries, do you think they destroy their own markets, by allowing to sell the goods there cheaper than they sell ?
rgds
Wilhelm

BUMshells : Don't underestimate one's capability !!

By the way, i am from Jakarta, the capital city of Indonesia. i admit that most fraud comming from Medan. but lets stick to the fact. your research is right. thank you for your information. To whom trying to trade with most fraud countries : use due diligence !

Replying to [cheza]:
Thank you to everyone who has replyed i take all your thoughts and advice on board it has all made sence and i wont be trading with this compant.
Thank you