I received a thank-you letter today from an Australian buyer called Oraylusky. Last week, he paid 30 EURO for my service to verify a Chinese company which appeared to be a Gold memeber on Alibaba.

This company, whose business is closely connected with sports shoes, turned out to be a business scammer.

The Chinese phone number in his advert did not exist. And, what he sells online are all illegal replicas!

Mr Oraylusky mentioned he trusted Gold member very much and had placed a trial order amounting to 8,800 EUR with this business scammer. He made a decision to verify his supplier only 7 days before his payment. He did and he won! He avoided losing 8,800 EUR with only 30 EUR !!!

Be careful with Chinese suppliers, including Gold members!

Replying to [Business in China]:
hello, I put myself a question!! why Australian pays in euro??

Replying to [phil17]:

and in his original post he mentions sport shoes but in the thank you e-mail the product is Ipod Nanos....

Replying to [phil17]:
hello, business in china, can you answer the question!??

Replying to [phil17]:

Sorry for my delay. I'm very strange with your question. Actually it's very easy to answer.
"hello, I put myself a question!! why Australian pays in euro?? "

My company only accepts EUR as our quotation as RMB appreciates fast against USD in China. So everybody or company who needs our service has to pay us in EUR or the equivalents. For example, if he is from UK, he may buy EUR first and then pay us. This is why. On the other hand, some Chinese companies are also adopting EUR as their quotation currency as USD's de-appreciation in China.

We've checked out too many Chinese suppliers and you can ask me for other references at any time. Any question is welcome to ask.

Replying to [Business in China]:Everything has two sides we know .There are few scamers so we should pay attention to them .
But i wanna say there are so many trade company,so maybe they don't produce but they can trade,for example ,we just produce lanyards but we can trade so much items with our clients,because we can help our clients sourced what they need in china,so as buyer,you should know what you wanna ,then tell them ,if their qulity(samples) and price are ok,even they can't produce ,i think it is ok,Becuase there are so many produced company can't trade we know .
I hope everything with you is fine,and china market is large and good ,welcome!!

Replying to [Business in China]: Wish I used your services or any similar verification service .The company i dealt with was a gold member also , called touhe and they sell scooters, told me he was a factory , then turns out he buys from different factories , the problem was i received my order missing 9 units , cost me around 5700 usd. so buyers be aware touhe is a scam , and in general be carefull in your dealings on alibaba , gold member might not be so golden after all.

I agree, you can be gold member, have a trustpass and have a registered company and still the will be scammers!! These companies will even pass due diligence checks but at the end of the day they will still take you hard earned money.

It best to use the services of Justin to verify the companies.

Use Justin’s service ( www.businessinchina.cc ), they will verify trader for you and they can identity scammers. They are helping me to get out of a sticky situation .

Replying to [haiyan]:
I agree with haiyan.

A company that has no factory but claims to have one is clearly not honest. But it could be too hasty to immediately conclude that this company is a "scammer" out to cheat money.

Is it possible this company finds its status as a "trading company" has caused many other companies not wanting to deal with it as these companies want to deal only with "manufacturer"? As a result, despite this company having all the market connections and knowledge to supply products at competitive prices, it finds itself without much business for the sole reason of its status as a "trading company". In a desperate move to get business, this company decides to publish the false claim that it is a "manufacturer". But it has no intention to cheat money - it is able to supply the products at prices that is has promised.

Some people will say that "if a company can make a false claim, then it has no integrity and we would never deal with it". That is fair as it is your prerogative. However, it would be unfair to immediately conclude that "this company makes a false claim and is therefore a scammer out to cheat people's money".

There is a difference between making a false claim to get business and making a false claim to cheat others' money. By the way, let's face it: How many businessmen have never ever exaggerated or conveniently twisted certain facts in order to impress their potential clients to get a deal?

P.S. (1) I do NOT support or condone the practice of making false claim just to get business. (2) I have NOTHING to do with any of the companies that have been mentioned in this thread. (3) I am writing this just to share my opinion that perhaps we should listen to both sides of the story before hastily agreeing with one party that some other company is a "scammer".

Replying to [Business in China]:
how do i know if im dealing with a honest company. one who wont steal my money?