RANGER, Please award MVPs to your topic WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT....................
Post 12 of 31
Replying to [Ranger]:we need to think it over before we make a decision
06 Aug 2007 17:42
Post 13 of 31
Tom,
The whole thing is messed up because the Government and Corporate America did not ensure high QC standard in manufacturers' production plants. Moreover, there is no such thing as cheap goods with high quality, but nobody took any notice and drunk over low cost and profit offered by Chinese sellers. ...
If a company contracts an exproter to produce a product of X quality, and the exporter does not follow that quality and adds a POISONOUS ingredient, unknown to the buyer.... how is the buyer at fault? Are they now required to test for every possible harmful substance that MIGHT be in a contratced product?
I would say it is the fault on both side, not one side.
I would argue that the contract between the 2 companies puts the onus on the supplier to supply the product that was CONTRACTED! If the supplier pays for QA testing by the buyers representative then these attempts at producing inferior (not to say poisonous) product would be a thing of the past
In the future, quality may go up, but price must go up regardless of quality. Why? Because of inflation. Labor salary, raw materials, property price and cost are going up.
Fair enough, as long as the QUALITY is as contracted for!
By the way, we may be buying cheap stuff from China, but with the gas prices going up every week (due to China's insatiable appetite for natural gas), I really wonder if I am paying stuff cheaply. I also wonder if anybody notice this effect....
yep... that's what happens...
The whole thing is messed up because the Government and Corporate America did not ensure high QC standard in manufacturers' production plants. Moreover, there is no such thing as cheap goods with high quality, but nobody took any notice and drunk over low cost and profit offered by Chinese sellers. ...
If a company contracts an exproter to produce a product of X quality, and the exporter does not follow that quality and adds a POISONOUS ingredient, unknown to the buyer.... how is the buyer at fault? Are they now required to test for every possible harmful substance that MIGHT be in a contratced product?
I would say it is the fault on both side, not one side.
I would argue that the contract between the 2 companies puts the onus on the supplier to supply the product that was CONTRACTED! If the supplier pays for QA testing by the buyers representative then these attempts at producing inferior (not to say poisonous) product would be a thing of the past
In the future, quality may go up, but price must go up regardless of quality. Why? Because of inflation. Labor salary, raw materials, property price and cost are going up.
Fair enough, as long as the QUALITY is as contracted for!
By the way, we may be buying cheap stuff from China, but with the gas prices going up every week (due to China's insatiable appetite for natural gas), I really wonder if I am paying stuff cheaply. I also wonder if anybody notice this effect....
yep... that's what happens...
08 Aug 2007 13:10
Post 14 of 31
to follow on.......
What remedy do some of the manufacturing companies countries allow? Are those responsible for the tainted seafood, poisonous toothpaste and fatal meats recently imported to the US (and other countries) subject to any kind of recompense to those whom they have injured?... Simply... No they are not.....
I would be an advocate of a World Court type of setup where every importer/exporter is legally (both by jail time and money) bound. If some unscrupulous supplier produces a poisonous product that injures/kills others then they should be held accountable.
That, of course, will never happen .......... I see the only reasonable alternative being what happens on occasion now.... A country has the right to ban ALL imports of that type until the supplier country can prove it is enforcing what are either the international laws, or more importantly, the common human respect that should be required......
If China exports tainted toothpaste to the west. then why shouldn;t thw est have the right to ban ALL toothpaste made in China? It is their responsibility to their people to protect them from products like this.
The same can be said of any product made in the west and exported to other countries..
There's my 2 cents worth.
What remedy do some of the manufacturing companies countries allow? Are those responsible for the tainted seafood, poisonous toothpaste and fatal meats recently imported to the US (and other countries) subject to any kind of recompense to those whom they have injured?... Simply... No they are not.....
I would be an advocate of a World Court type of setup where every importer/exporter is legally (both by jail time and money) bound. If some unscrupulous supplier produces a poisonous product that injures/kills others then they should be held accountable.
That, of course, will never happen .......... I see the only reasonable alternative being what happens on occasion now.... A country has the right to ban ALL imports of that type until the supplier country can prove it is enforcing what are either the international laws, or more importantly, the common human respect that should be required......
If China exports tainted toothpaste to the west. then why shouldn;t thw est have the right to ban ALL toothpaste made in China? It is their responsibility to their people to protect them from products like this.
The same can be said of any product made in the west and exported to other countries..
There's my 2 cents worth.
08 Aug 2007 13:16
Post 15 of 31
First and Foremost Quality Control MUST be maintained. If the Mainland exporter cannot or is unwilling to do the job right, then other Global suppliers have to be procured. Unless of course, agreement can be made for the importer having their own QC in place and making sure the Quality is there and standards are met. With all the bad press lately and the increasing amount of recalls stringent regulations have to be in place, or these exporters will suffer the consequences their inaction will bring.
09 Aug 2007 18:05
Post 16 of 31
Replying to [Ranger]:
No one can offer the "best quality product" at "cheapest possible prices" wether it is China or USA or even India.
There is an inverse correlation between "cheap price" and "high quality". Yes there is a direct corelation between "cheap price" and "cheap quality".
To get high quality product, one needs high quality technology. The latest high quality technology is mostly researched and offered by the advanced developed nations like USA & other developed western countries and at a very high prices. With the high cost technologies, it becomes difficult for the manufacturing units to achieve the breakeven within stipulated period which is must for any company to survive and flourish. Hence, they are forced to go for cheaper technology and with the cheaper technology, one cannot produce high quality products whether it is China or any other country.
Western countries will have to understand the fact that they cann't expect two-sides benefits - (1) benfits from selling their technology at a much higher prices and (2) benefits of buying products manufactured from these high cost technologies at cheapest possible prices.
Besides high priced technologies, local factors like taxation, wages, infrastructural costs, international exchange rates, govt's credit policies, political scenario and above all the overall mental attitude of the workers and the company owners also contributes a lot in deciding the quality of products to be offerred in today's cut-throat competition.
(* This is an effort to observe impartially into the reasons, economic and social, on the topic being discussed here and nothing against or in favour of any one)
No one can offer the "best quality product" at "cheapest possible prices" wether it is China or USA or even India.
There is an inverse correlation between "cheap price" and "high quality". Yes there is a direct corelation between "cheap price" and "cheap quality".
To get high quality product, one needs high quality technology. The latest high quality technology is mostly researched and offered by the advanced developed nations like USA & other developed western countries and at a very high prices. With the high cost technologies, it becomes difficult for the manufacturing units to achieve the breakeven within stipulated period which is must for any company to survive and flourish. Hence, they are forced to go for cheaper technology and with the cheaper technology, one cannot produce high quality products whether it is China or any other country.
Western countries will have to understand the fact that they cann't expect two-sides benefits - (1) benfits from selling their technology at a much higher prices and (2) benefits of buying products manufactured from these high cost technologies at cheapest possible prices.
Besides high priced technologies, local factors like taxation, wages, infrastructural costs, international exchange rates, govt's credit policies, political scenario and above all the overall mental attitude of the workers and the company owners also contributes a lot in deciding the quality of products to be offerred in today's cut-throat competition.
(* This is an effort to observe impartially into the reasons, economic and social, on the topic being discussed here and nothing against or in favour of any one)
10 Aug 2007 06:41
Post 17 of 31
Foow:
Yes, you are right if we are only talking in the case of small importers! Since small importers are not protected and well-funded.
But when it comes to big coporate company, I had my doubts. I am suspicious of these coporate companies because they usually send their representatives to oversee the production in China, even if QC is contracted. Moreover, companies who make the Colgate toothpaste, for example, will have their own QC testing in the US laboratory regardless of QC testing in China (Unless the trust is so great that the companies married to each other). Maybe every container, they must check 1/2 case of toothpaste at the lab? No?
Of course, you are right in many ways, Foow. It is just that I am amazed that US companies shipped in the Chinese goods, and directly go to the retail stores without any more things in between. This is not how goods are supposed to flow! The flow of the goods seems so wrong, too relax.....
It seems as though the US companies encourage the use of low quality materials.....However, I am also blaming the Chinese manufacturers as well.
That is my 2 cents
Yes, you are right if we are only talking in the case of small importers! Since small importers are not protected and well-funded.
But when it comes to big coporate company, I had my doubts. I am suspicious of these coporate companies because they usually send their representatives to oversee the production in China, even if QC is contracted. Moreover, companies who make the Colgate toothpaste, for example, will have their own QC testing in the US laboratory regardless of QC testing in China (Unless the trust is so great that the companies married to each other). Maybe every container, they must check 1/2 case of toothpaste at the lab? No?
Of course, you are right in many ways, Foow. It is just that I am amazed that US companies shipped in the Chinese goods, and directly go to the retail stores without any more things in between. This is not how goods are supposed to flow! The flow of the goods seems so wrong, too relax.....
It seems as though the US companies encourage the use of low quality materials.....However, I am also blaming the Chinese manufacturers as well.
That is my 2 cents
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12 Aug 2007 17:53
Post 18 of 31
Replying to [Ranger]: IM going to leave this open a little longer and will actually reward more than the initial 50 points as I think there have been some thought out responses to my actual question while there have been answers that had nothing to do with the question.
Two of the most publicized recalls were tainted rice which I agree should have been caught in the US by the importer. But why was it allowed to even leave China. The second case was that the contracted manufacturer changed the specs on the paint of items that would be played with by children to a lead based paint. In this case how would the importing company know that the manufacturer deviated from the paint specifications to the lowwer their production cost? These two cases are still at the forefront of issues in the U.S. There is no practical reason to use lead based paint except to lowwer costs. This kind of paint should actually be banned world wide. I will post points for individuals starting 08/13
Two of the most publicized recalls were tainted rice which I agree should have been caught in the US by the importer. But why was it allowed to even leave China. The second case was that the contracted manufacturer changed the specs on the paint of items that would be played with by children to a lead based paint. In this case how would the importing company know that the manufacturer deviated from the paint specifications to the lowwer their production cost? These two cases are still at the forefront of issues in the U.S. There is no practical reason to use lead based paint except to lowwer costs. This kind of paint should actually be banned world wide. I will post points for individuals starting 08/13
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12 Aug 2007 19:17
Post 19 of 31
The countries allowing these posoinous/ illegal products to be exported should be embargoed by the countries whose citizens are being put in danger.
Why shouldn't these countries be penalised for allowing such things!
Why shouldn't these countries be penalised for allowing such things!
13 Aug 2007 15:05
Post 20 of 31
Replying to [Ranger]:
I agree with you in some aspect...
There are many causes for these events... Maybe the Chinese saying " Shu Da Zhao Feng " (Destruction Pursues the Great) is a good explanation for the causes of these events.
Anyway, I think no one can deny that Made-in-China products quality is becoming better and better.
Hyk
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I agree with you in some aspect...
There are many causes for these events... Maybe the Chinese saying " Shu Da Zhao Feng " (Destruction Pursues the Great) is a good explanation for the causes of these events.
Anyway, I think no one can deny that Made-in-China products quality is becoming better and better.
Hyk
15 Aug 2007 06:33
Post 21 of 31
Tom,
Remember in the case of the toothpaste, Colgate NEVER saw that product. This was a pure scam. Someone copied the Colgate packaging and moved it into the US..... So there was NO QC done on it, it was just a scam gig.
Remember in the case of the toothpaste, Colgate NEVER saw that product. This was a pure scam. Someone copied the Colgate packaging and moved it into the US..... So there was NO QC done on it, it was just a scam gig.
16 Aug 2007 13:26