What do you think about the fact that China has cracked down on their import standards but yet their standards for export fall far below the standards for import. Why have they let their export quality drop so far? The reason I ask this is in response to the last six months of global product recalls for goods and food stuffs originating in China. Several large corporations in US, Europe, Australia,and South America as well in press releases and statements may be looking to other contract manufacturers in other countries specifically India and Yemen and UAE to open production plants as these companies can not continue to suffer the huge losses due to the product re-calls.


This question is not put here to start a war of words between Chinese members and everyone else. IM just looking for everyones oppinion about the current state of quality in exports.


Best regards,


Ranger

Replying to [Ranger]:

It will comes from many factors. Firstly, as we well-known, most of buyer are imported from China just because they can't buy them in US, UK and Austialia at same price. That is realistic we always buy what we paid. When we comes to some famous brand in China like Media, Haier. They always operates according to local law and regulations. So I don't think that two standards are discrepancy.

No doubty that quality will have to be enforced improvement under the pressure of the woeful labour profit.

Replying to [Ranger]:

Seriously, i think this matters involve two parties: the buyers and sellers.

Why can the mainland products still survive if their quality is that poor? the reason would be that importers merely focus on cheap products but neglect the quality. Frankly speaking, if the buyers concern about the quality and they are willing to pay some more for the sake of product safety. Those poor suppliers cannot survive and would be forced to leave the market.

The second factor would be the problem of buyers, which the lack of inspection could be somehow attributed to the problem. It is not uncommon that safety has long been the problem of China and even in local area, safety problem posts a real danger, i.e. the so-called "paper bun" and "medicine food..." corruption among businessmen might also be part of the problem.

Anyway, i believe that the situation is turning better now. Accompanied to the closer connection with the global economy, China's products have been improved very greatly. So, i hope that the improvement could keep on and the quality could one day fulfill all the international standard.

Honindco

Replying to [Ranger]:

We should think about it.

Replying to [Ranger]:

I wonder why half of international buyers don't do final inspection before shipping. That bothers me.

Replying to [Ranger]:Firstly I think you need choose the good factories,secondly you should agree a reasonable price and then the factory was able to produce quality products for you.

Replying to [Ranger]:

Hi Ranger.

The product recalls and so on that you mention ,maybe a two way street (supplier &buyer) ?



The big multi national buyers . >> It can only be assumed that once they have identified product / manufacturer etc ,they initiate standards checks and verifications on products .For example RoHS ,CE etc .Making sure the issued certificates and issuing bodies are VALID.



But not just checks on all of the above , BEFORE contract signing.These checks to be ongoing throughout the product supply cycle ,using valid inspection procedures .So as to MAINTAIN compliance with international required standards .



For the supplier ,are they so screwed down on the demands of the buyers ,,especially cost/piece ,that they skip on quality and appropriate QC ,simply to achieve a decent and realistic level of profit?



Maybe being safe in the knowledge that the buyers are not regularly checking manufacturing procedures / product content / ongoing certification compliance for the goods. Because the buyers want to cut cost corners at any opportunity.



To move to manufacturers in India and other countries . >> The product recalls would maybe just continue ,if the buyers continue making unrealistic demands on the suppliers regarding price etc . And continue being negligent in routine product quality /international certification validation compliance and so on ..... So full cycle ,,same problem .

I think the recent recalls reported in the media, do not neccessarily mean the total number of recalls have increased.

What was significant recently, was that the recalls were related to food and medicine, and a Chinese official was executed - that makes the issue more newsworthy, that is all. Recalls will occur always, as factories quality decreases and/or buyers expectations increase.

All I'm saying is there are always recalls occuring, they just don't always make the news, until it's something slightly scandalous, or if it becomes a bit of a media fad for a short period of time.

Replying to [Ranger]: I think the main reason is the the buyers always want to buy good products with low price. so most products are produced by middle-small factories who are lack of strict management system. the quality is not stable. the capital is always after of profit,which is the key reson. so don't complain why Chinese export products quality drops.

Replying to [QGS inspector]:

Replying to [Ranger]:

Additional QC is needed when the manufacturer fail to produce good part, QC should be at the process control not at the shipping gate , if such way is practice it mean that the manufacturer is un-reliable this add up the cost, if you keep on promoting that all manufacturers need additional QC prior shipping in actual you are promoting that the manufacturer in your country is lousy and need to be baby sit....isn't that shameful?

Quoting from [Ranger]:


What do you think about the fact that China has cracked down on their import standards but yet their standards for export fall far below the standards for import. Why have they let their export quality drop so far? The reason I ask this is in response to the last six months of global product recalls for goods and food stuffs originating in China. Several large corporations in US, Europe, Australia,and South America as well in press releases and statements may be looking to other contract manufacturers in other countries specifically India and Yemen and UAE to open production plants as these companies can not continue to suffer the huge losses due to the product re-calls.


This question is not put here to start a war of words between Chinese members and everyone else. IM just looking for everyones oppinion about the current state of quality in exports.


Best regards,


Ranger

The whole thing is messed up because the Government and Corporate America did not ensure high QC standard in  manufacturers' production plants. Moreover, there is no such thing as cheap goods with high quality, but nobody took any notice and drunk over low cost and profit offered by Chinese sellers.


I would say it is the fault on both side, not one side.


In the future, quality may go up, but price must go up regardless of quality. Why? Because of inflation. Labor salary, raw materials, property price and cost are going up.


By the way, we may be buying cheap stuff from China, but with the gas prices going up every week (due to China's insatiable appetite for natural gas), I really wonder if I am paying stuff cheaply. I also wonder if anybody notice this effect.......