* * * $ $ $ REWARD FOR CAPTURE OF INDONESIAN FRAUD SEIKO WATCH SELLERS * * $ $ $
Post 1 of 55
Ojn december 6th 2005 i was a victim of online fraud when i wired 10,000USD to a man that called himself "janus antono gaja of "asia watch company". I reported him to ifccfbi.gov. they are the FBI in
controll of internet fraud. However this will not help
me. he is overseas indonesia, which is a 3rd world
country. I live in the united states. I contacted
permata bank in jakarta where he opened his account. I
have learned that as soon as he received my money he
immediately went to his ATM machine and withdrew all
of it in cash and disapeared. I was amazed that they
had so much compassion when i finally got an english
speaking person who worked there that they felt bad
about it & they said they would contact their bank
president about this criminal. But they also said
there is nothing they could do. I learned that he
scammed someone else from another website called
"ecplaza.com" he stold money from UK buyer recently
using the same account! i'm assuming that indonesia
has very lax rules for opening an account in a bank
and for all i know "janus antono Gaja st, is a fake
name & he probably opened the account with fake ID.
i found out that his account is actually still
active. even if they did find him what good would it
do? lets say he goes to jail. it wont bring my money
back and all the time and frustration he has caused me
to lose from communications, reporting him and delayed
supplies anticipating my delivery of the items.
I notice on your site you have alot of people that
have gotten scammed just like me. you have to screen
these people before you allow them to post
advertisements for their businesses. It seems like
everyone on your site are all scammers from all the
posts i see in your forum.
As i've said i lost almost 10,000 dollars by being
literally robbed by this criminal. i can't just let
this thing drop. I want this guy and want my money. i will do anything to get him.
So as i've said it won't help to report this to the
police even though i did. it will not bring my hard
earned blood money back to me. this might destroy my
business. i have orders that i can't fill and don't
have sufficient funds to place new orders. i will be
ruined if i dont get him.
i have been contacted by many alibaba members by e-mail who have been robbed by thei seiko fraud seller. he keeps posting new ads under diffrent names all the time. please help me catch him and work with me as well as the other victims. you will be rewarded financially.
thank you.
controll of internet fraud. However this will not help
me. he is overseas indonesia, which is a 3rd world
country. I live in the united states. I contacted
permata bank in jakarta where he opened his account. I
have learned that as soon as he received my money he
immediately went to his ATM machine and withdrew all
of it in cash and disapeared. I was amazed that they
had so much compassion when i finally got an english
speaking person who worked there that they felt bad
about it & they said they would contact their bank
president about this criminal. But they also said
there is nothing they could do. I learned that he
scammed someone else from another website called
"ecplaza.com" he stold money from UK buyer recently
using the same account! i'm assuming that indonesia
has very lax rules for opening an account in a bank
and for all i know "janus antono Gaja st, is a fake
name & he probably opened the account with fake ID.
i found out that his account is actually still
active. even if they did find him what good would it
do? lets say he goes to jail. it wont bring my money
back and all the time and frustration he has caused me
to lose from communications, reporting him and delayed
supplies anticipating my delivery of the items.
I notice on your site you have alot of people that
have gotten scammed just like me. you have to screen
these people before you allow them to post
advertisements for their businesses. It seems like
everyone on your site are all scammers from all the
posts i see in your forum.
As i've said i lost almost 10,000 dollars by being
literally robbed by this criminal. i can't just let
this thing drop. I want this guy and want my money. i will do anything to get him.
So as i've said it won't help to report this to the
police even though i did. it will not bring my hard
earned blood money back to me. this might destroy my
business. i have orders that i can't fill and don't
have sufficient funds to place new orders. i will be
ruined if i dont get him.
i have been contacted by many alibaba members by e-mail who have been robbed by thei seiko fraud seller. he keeps posting new ads under diffrent names all the time. please help me catch him and work with me as well as the other victims. you will be rewarded financially.
thank you.
07 Sep 2006 14:56
Post 2 of 55
Replying to [American jewel]:keep in mind where you tried to buy from.
there is nothing there and mostly * groups use this medium to get funds.
FBI knows all about it..the bank there know it and actually help these people steal this money.
stay out of Indonesia..all scammers
there is nothing there and mostly * groups use this medium to get funds.
FBI knows all about it..the bank there know it and actually help these people steal this money.
stay out of Indonesia..all scammers
07 Sep 2006 20:21
Post 3 of 55
Replying to [American jewel]:![[em4]](http://img.alibaba.com/images/eng/style/icon/emoticons_sad.gif)
Sorry to hear of your lost, but I don't think there are any thing that you can do to get to him. Even if you can set up sort of a trap to get to him meet you face to face. The local cop more than likely is his buddy and get paid to look the other way. Take you lost and move on is about the only thing that you can do.
Sorry to hear of your lost, but I don't think there are any thing that you can do to get to him. Even if you can set up sort of a trap to get to him meet you face to face. The local cop more than likely is his buddy and get paid to look the other way. Take you lost and move on is about the only thing that you can do.
09 Sep 2006 17:03
Post 4 of 55
Replying to [American jewel]:
I am very sorry to read your story !
With regards to the country where the scammer is I don't think he will be caught or that you will see your "blood earned money" again .
Even if FBI is involved, there are not too many things they are able to do for you in that country . They will keep your hopes but at the end nothing is going to happen .
I am very sorry to read your story !
With regards to the country where the scammer is I don't think he will be caught or that you will see your "blood earned money" again .
Even if FBI is involved, there are not too many things they are able to do for you in that country . They will keep your hopes but at the end nothing is going to happen .
13 Sep 2006 11:19
Post 5 of 55
Replying to [Fefa]:
I should agree with you. Bank could say that they are sorry for what had happened but the fact is nobody there give a about it.I'm pretty sure nothing has been done to prevent recurrence nor investigate this crooks.
But anyway, what can they do ? this crook must have given them all false personal data when they opened the account and to freeze one bank account in Indonesia need formal written instruction from both Central Bank and the police.With this amount USD 10,000 (this is big amount for me frankly speaking), I doubt there is anybody move even their finger to do something about it.
And let's say police (or FBI perhaps ?) could catch this guy and send him into jail, but I bet all the money is gone dude, long gone because normally crooks like this this is just a miserable guy living up a miserable live and he must have spent all the money for his living expenses up to the last cent
I should agree with you. Bank could say that they are sorry for what had happened but the fact is nobody there give a about it.I'm pretty sure nothing has been done to prevent recurrence nor investigate this crooks.
But anyway, what can they do ? this crook must have given them all false personal data when they opened the account and to freeze one bank account in Indonesia need formal written instruction from both Central Bank and the police.With this amount USD 10,000 (this is big amount for me frankly speaking), I doubt there is anybody move even their finger to do something about it.
And let's say police (or FBI perhaps ?) could catch this guy and send him into jail, but I bet all the money is gone dude, long gone because normally crooks like this this is just a miserable guy living up a miserable live and he must have spent all the money for his living expenses up to the last cent
13 Sep 2006 20:06
Post 6 of 55
Replying to [trado]:
he is still posting ads for seiko watches. he obviously is making more money by scamming others or he wouldnt waste his time. if he is still in the business why cant they trap him and get him?
i dont beleive this. indonesia should be condemned. it is a rogue country with no laws like the wild west. in the U.S. this guy would be wearing blue stripped pajamas in a cell a long time ago.
he is still posting ads for seiko watches. he obviously is making more money by scamming others or he wouldnt waste his time. if he is still in the business why cant they trap him and get him?
i dont beleive this. indonesia should be condemned. it is a rogue country with no laws like the wild west. in the U.S. this guy would be wearing blue stripped pajamas in a cell a long time ago.
15 Sep 2006 12:41
Post 7 of 55
Replying to [partsman]:
i know this. it is a rogue lawless prostituting country suckling off the west with theivery. it should be condemed. the government is more corrupt than than the crooks themsleves. this guy is advertising for theft and keeps doing it. it should be easy to catch him like taking candy from a baby but they are all theives and are supprting him. i hope they all die a stranuous death.
i know this. it is a rogue lawless prostituting country suckling off the west with theivery. it should be condemed. the government is more corrupt than than the crooks themsleves. this guy is advertising for theft and keeps doing it. it should be easy to catch him like taking candy from a baby but they are all theives and are supprting him. i hope they all die a stranuous death.
15 Sep 2006 12:53
Post 8 of 55
Replying to [American jewel]:
I am so sorry to hear that. I have a friend that work with private investigator in Indonesia, maybe he can help you. I know this friend when i was in college, he is very good in IT.
So maybe you can msg me if you want.
I am so sorry to hear that. I have a friend that work with private investigator in Indonesia, maybe he can help you. I know this friend when i was in college, he is very good in IT.
So maybe you can msg me if you want.
21 Sep 2006 03:06
Post 9 of 55
Replying to [American jewel]:
Hi, AmericanJewel
Have read your posted carefully to see how it happened and let me quote below
Quote:
I have learned that as soon as he received my money he immediately went to his ATM machine and withdrew all of it in cash and disappeared.
As I know, here every bank equipped with ATM machine made a limitation to the amount of the cash to draw for each time and in each day. Most local top banks made the total amount limit for a day approx. USD 550 and each draw for approx. USD 125. If the ATM card is used for debit payment, total amount limited to approx. USD 1100 in each day. This amount is drawn in Indonesian-Rupiah currency.
Bank Permata is the local second layer bank. Should the limit lower or at least same with.
No possibility to draw all your money in one day if he used ATM machine.
If that robber used overseas account, he should go to that bank to draw it by custom application. Bank Permata not have ATM for overseas/USD currency.
Hopefully above info useful for you to figure out and find the fact. That?s the way I tried to help you.
rgds
Hi, AmericanJewel
Have read your posted carefully to see how it happened and let me quote below
Quote:
I have learned that as soon as he received my money he immediately went to his ATM machine and withdrew all of it in cash and disappeared.
As I know, here every bank equipped with ATM machine made a limitation to the amount of the cash to draw for each time and in each day. Most local top banks made the total amount limit for a day approx. USD 550 and each draw for approx. USD 125. If the ATM card is used for debit payment, total amount limited to approx. USD 1100 in each day. This amount is drawn in Indonesian-Rupiah currency.
Bank Permata is the local second layer bank. Should the limit lower or at least same with.
No possibility to draw all your money in one day if he used ATM machine.
If that robber used overseas account, he should go to that bank to draw it by custom application. Bank Permata not have ATM for overseas/USD currency.
Hopefully above info useful for you to figure out and find the fact. That?s the way I tried to help you.
rgds
21 Sep 2006 07:28
Post 10 of 55
Replying to [Rubert]:
hi rupert. you can e-mail me at shemp399@yahoo.com
i would be interested in cathing this * and hiring your friend investigator. i will givehim a reward. dead or alive.
hi rupert. you can e-mail me at shemp399@yahoo.com
i would be interested in cathing this * and hiring your friend investigator. i will givehim a reward. dead or alive.
26 Sep 2006 15:12
Post 11 of 55
Replying to [erld]:
i know this. they have a similar law in america. he did not take out the money from the ATM in one transaction. i never said that. he took the money out in the maxium allowed intervals. whether he withdrew it in indonesian currency or american currency makes no diffrence. i called permata bank and thats what they told me he did. eveytbody has an opportunity to catch him in indonesia. the police, the government and the counsaltes. he is advertising for theft on alibaba, ezplaza,net and tradekey.com every day using diffrent names yet they just do nothing or actually support him. they figure the money is flowing into the country. it can come in through stealing or business. they don't give a . even the bank which saw the man open the account could identify him and atm machines as well have cameras. they know who it is. they dont give a or support it. indonesia is a rogue lawless basterdized country. i hope the next tsunami washes it away and completely this time. i can see G-D has listened to my wishes the first time.
i know this. they have a similar law in america. he did not take out the money from the ATM in one transaction. i never said that. he took the money out in the maxium allowed intervals. whether he withdrew it in indonesian currency or american currency makes no diffrence. i called permata bank and thats what they told me he did. eveytbody has an opportunity to catch him in indonesia. the police, the government and the counsaltes. he is advertising for theft on alibaba, ezplaza,net and tradekey.com every day using diffrent names yet they just do nothing or actually support him. they figure the money is flowing into the country. it can come in through stealing or business. they don't give a . even the bank which saw the man open the account could identify him and atm machines as well have cameras. they know who it is. they dont give a or support it. indonesia is a rogue lawless basterdized country. i hope the next tsunami washes it away and completely this time. i can see G-D has listened to my wishes the first time.
26 Sep 2006 15:18