Ok, here is the deal:
we make natural soap. The average order per client is up to 50,000 lbs This company ordered 104,000 lbs. We did the negotiations and the contract is set in agreement with both parties. I send the the documents and everything they required. Usually I would get the signatures, now, then the payments and we start the production.
But here is what I got instead:
Dear Sir,
Sorry for my late reply
After a meeting of our company, we find that we can make a agreement basically of your amended contract.In order to determine our further cooperation, please arrange a time soon and come to our company (with the related procedure and samples, such as the certificate of your company, the quality report of your products, and so on) to negociate and sign the contract.
Looking forward to your reply


Zhengzhou Asia Real Estate Co. Ltd
Address:Golden Water Road 79 Zhengzhou City
Henan Province China
Tel: 86-0371-66036289
Fax: 86-0371-66036289


It looks to me like they are doing the usual "red evenlope scam", but I am not sure. Can anyone tell me what to do? Their order is in my oppinion too high for a first time order. I did offer tham the usual samples, but they never took me up on them. Ok. I know the Chinese like it more personal, but we have dealed with China before and never got a reply like this.

So what do you think: Red- Envelope scam or not?

Replying to [Scalde]:
Its a SCAM - I was scammed in the same way by a different Chinese company!

This company is scamming international companies into meeting them in China.

They scam you into coming to china to sign a big contract, then after signing they have you buy expensive gifts for their chairman, then you never hear from them again. Cost us over $10,000.00 with flights/hotel and expenses

Lyon (International) Investment Co. or (Liang Touzi Co.)

Address: JunLong High-rise NO.1 MaoTang Road ,NO.8 XinJian GaoXin District Guilin541004,Guangxi P.R. China

Web: http://www.tradeb2bcn.com
Tel: +86-773-3339583
Fax: +86-773-5838068

E-MAIL: latzcn022@yahoo.com.cn
email: info@latzcn.com
email: import@latzcn
email: director@latzcn.com
MSN: latzcn022@yahoo.com.cn

Replying to [Poly-Wood Guy]:

Absolute a scammer! Gold Water Road # = #79 jin shui road ( Pin yin)!!! Shame on them, the fraud companies!

If anybody needs some help to find a company in Henan province, or wants to have an inspection of a company, please let me know.

I have some friends ( and suppliers) in Henan province.

We can help you in your business.

Please denote: I am a person which had been scammed , so I am no scammer.

I own an Austrian trade company.
However, I want to establish an office in Henan province, perhaps we can cooperate.

We are from India, we saw your bad china experience from alibaba. we also cheated by them. you can't take any action against them, because their name, company name , address all are fake. always changing their name, company name , address etc..Now in new company name and continuing their cheating business very successfully.
Please read our experience from www.thodukonics.com/futian3.pdf

now we are with zhegzhou police. if you have any photo of them please sent us.
expecting your replay
Mathew
www.thodukonics.com

Quoting from [Poly-Wood Guy]:


Replying to [Scalde]:I am saddened to read the address you have for your Fake Company. I too am awaiting the final signing of a contract that now I think is Fake.“Zhengzhou NanJiang Estate Construction Engineering Co., Ltd.” Mr. Ni and Mr. Li Ke Hua. Their company address is “# 79 Jin shui Road”, “Zhengzhou City”, Henan Province, China. They also emailed me for information from a different company, the Zhengzhou Barter Management Co which has the same address. “Golden Water Road # 79”

I am feeling very sick to my stomach. Are you dealing with Jack,Ms. Zhang yan, Mr. Ni or Mr. Li Ke Hua.

Hi..I would like to know what happer between u and Zhengzhou NanJiang Estate Construction Engineering Co., Ltd.” bse they (Ms Zhang)have keeping toch with me and interested to do a quite big order. r they definitely a fraud?

Zhengzhou NanJiang Estate Construction Engineering Co.,Ltd.

Adds: No.85, Huayuan Road, Zhengzhou City, Henan Province.

Tel: 86 0371 633 95317, 1352 661 2273

They also contact me with a big quantity that they want to order from us.

They want us to go there to sign a contract with them which from researching and reading in Alibaba which is very usefull.

The contract is too good to be truth which I kindda know from the begining but I just want to play along with them to see if they would come up with any new tricks.

But so far the same thing which I don't think they would get smarter but for supplier we get smarter.....

The person that contact me are: Ms.Cindy and Ms.Cherry Zhang.

Hopefully my information would be usefull for other supplier that got the same.

Hello, we are currently in negotiations with a company called - Henan Bell science and technology,  they have ordered alot of our vacuum's and again want us to go to china to sign the deal. if you have any information on this company i would be very greatful

Cheers

Hygicare 

Be Carefull Zhengzhou China Business

Now they appearing in new name new address and new web (but all are fake) and continuing their scamp work. we also cheated by them. If you cooperate with us, we can arrest them. now we with the zhengzhou police. if you have any photo of them please sent me at email@thodukonics.com. you can also read our experience with them from our web. www.kochismartciti.com/futian3.html

 

9. www.hnlucheng.com  Created 21-April 2008

Henan Lucheng Commerce & Trade Co. LTD

DongMing RD 218, ZHENGZHOU, HENAN PROVINCE, CHINA

TEL:86-371-61623607

FAX:86-371-60932920

CODE:450000

Quoting from [futian]:

Be Carefull Zhengzhou China Business

Now they appearing in new name new address and new web (but all are fake) and continuing their scamp work. we also cheated by them. If you cooperate with us, we can arrest them. now we with the zhengzhou police. if you have any photo of them please sent me at email@thodukonics.com. you can also read our experience with them from our web. www.kochismartciti.com/futian3.html

 

9. www.hnlucheng.com  Created 21-April 2008


Henan Lucheng Commerce & Trade Co. LTD


DongMing RD 218, ZHENGZHOU, HENAN PROVINCE, CHINA


TEL:86-371-61623607


FAX:86-371-60932920


CODE:450000

Hi all!!

We are also in the same situtation. We have an order from this scammer.

Hereafter is the information of this scammer

Contact Point	Benjamin Li
Company	Zhengzhou Jimao Barter Management Co.,Ltd
Address	No.86 Huayuan Road Zhengzhou Henan
Postal code	450000
Country	China
Phone	86-0371-60959792
Fax	86-0371-60959792
Homepage	www.jmyihuo.cn

Be careful with them  

Hello my name is Arif :


I just got a very large order from this Benjamin Li dude. Here is the email :

Dear Sir
I am very glad to see your email

I am very Sorry for delay!

The follow product is my order:

(1)Big Flower Doll         8000pcs

(2)Small Flower Doll     8000pcs

Can you give me your final price!

How long do you spend to Prepared this order?

Best regards for our cooperation.
Benjamin Li

Email :Li [jm337@126.com]


Is this the guy you guys are talking about???


Thank you.


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